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[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I find it odd that each strength coach we get doesn't seem as worried about jumping higher and running faster. Just trying to get everyone to where they can't wipe their own a$$es because their so buff. Instagram training. 

None of the guys have gotten that big and they've gotten more athletic. Marshall does his job. The player development on the court has been a major problem but that's not on anyone besides the coaches. The running faster and jumping higher has been happening since Marshall got to IU.

[HoosierAloha]

6 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

None of the guys have gotten that big and they've gotten more athletic. Marshall does his job. The player development on the court has been a major problem but that's not on anyone besides the coaches. The running faster and jumping higher has been happening since Marshall got to IU.

Players aren't responsible for getting better?! 

I wish I could blame poor grades on my instructors.  They just didn't provide me with the answers to all the quizzes, assignments, and tests!  They provided me with materials to learn that but that wasn't enough.  Fire them!!

This is not to take all the blame off the coaches.  They should absolutely be part of the process but let's quit with the "shifting blame from the players."  Armaan wanted and needed a better shot.  He worked his @$$ off during the pandemic downtime to make that happen.  Other players had opportunities to add to their game or develop a weakness.  What did they do?! 

I ******* hate when people do this ****.

[Trish]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Players aren't responsible for getting better?! 

I wish I could blame poor grades on my instructors.  They just didn't provide me with the answers to all the quizzes, assignments, and tests!  They provided me with materials to learn that but that wasn't enough.  Fire them!!

This is not to take all the blame off the coaches.  They should absolutely be part of the process but let's quit with the "shifting blame from the players."  Armaan wanted and needed a better shot.  He worked his @$$ off during the pandemic downtime to make that happen.  Other players had opportunities to add to their game or develop a weakness.  What did they do?! 

I ******* hate when people do this ****.

Players do deserve a great amount of blame for this disaster as well. Robbie Hummel said it perfectly the other night. The offense gives us look, the players have to step up and knock them down.

They have access to a 24/7 basketball facility. They have student managers to rebound for them as well as shooting guns. There's really no excuse to not be able to get better on your own time.

Frank did it.

Victor Oladipo did it.

O.G. did it. 

Morgan did it. 

[NOLA Hoosier]

18 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Today I go through the thread and some are now in the depths of despair that he might still be here next year.

I’m there, man. It sucks!

[HoosierFan1994]

42 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Yeah whether it's been unlucky injuries within the program or our strength and rehab practices.. 

I've brought it up before and It's probably nothing to even consider.. but is it time we move on from Tim Garl? 

Yeah he has his own training facility here with his name on it and everything.. there's been a common factor of injuries between Crean's teams and Archie's teams. Tim has been here for both teams. We've had several different strength coaches between Crean and Archie..so.. 

 

 

 

Something odd is going on for sure. 

[Bobman1]

Players aren't responsible for getting better?! 
I wish I could blame poor grades on my instructors.  They just didn't provide me with the answers to all the quizzes, assignments, and tests!  They provided me with materials to learn that but that wasn't enough.  Fire them!!
This is not to take all the blame off the coaches.  They should absolutely be part of the process but let's quit with the "shifting blame from the players."  Armaan wanted and needed a better shot.  He worked his @$$ off during the pandemic downtime to make that happen.  Other players had opportunities to add to their game or develop a weakness.  What did they do?! 
I ******* hate when people do this ****.

I think he’s agreeing with you and said the blame is solely on the coaches. May have read it wrong but yeah pretty sure everybody’s on same page.


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[rcbowla]

Players do deserve a great amount of blame for this disaster as well. Robbie Hummel said it perfectly the other night. The offense gives us look, the players have to step up and knock them down.
They have access to a 24/7 basketball facility. They have student managers to rebound for them as well as shooting guns. There's really no excuse to not be able to get better on your own time.
Frank did it.
Victor Oladipo did it.
O.G. did it. 
Morgan did it. 

I agree with the premise here but it's also on the coach to recognize those traits in recruits and to hold players accountable. What accountability has there been for poor shooting?

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[yogisballin]

I agree with the premise here but it's also on the coach to recognize those traits in recruits and to hold players accountable. What accountability has there been for poor shooting?

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You can’t make a kid go to the gym to put in extra work


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[IUrocker]

Sorry to go back to this, but is it thought now that Tom Allen’s raise has nothing to do with showing signs that we could be moving on with a different coach and paying him more than what Archie is making? I know people have started to become uneasy about the possibility of coming back, but if Dolson’s thinking is give Tom Allen a raise and then go out and get a different coach which would obviously cost more than Archie’s salary, then maybe the signs are still there that a move is going to be made. I just didn’t know if anyone thinks that it’d make complete sense for Dolson to just give Tom a raise but keep Archie and IU basketball in the state that their in. A part of me wants to think, whether it’d wishful thinking, that Dolson doesn’t want to play around and is gonna pay up to get someone else in here to get things turned around...even if it may not be Brad Stevens. 

[Josh]

58 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Yeah whether it's been unlucky injuries within the program or our strength and rehab practices.. 

I've brought it up before and It's probably nothing to even consider.. but is it time we move on from Tim Garl? 

Yeah he has his own training facility here with his name on it and everything.. there's been a common factor of injuries between Crean's teams and Archie's teams. Tim has been here for both teams. We've had several different strength coaches between Crean and Archie..so.. 

 

 

 

Lol...no.  Tim Garl is not a problem at all

[Trish]

9 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I agree with the premise here but it's also on the coach to recognize those traits in recruits and to hold players accountable. What accountability has there been for poor shooting?

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Well we all thought Hunter would be a shooter coming in and he had that scary health situation. He's streaky now.

Demizi turned out to be a bust.

Leal looked promising but the other night looked really bad!

Rob is a head-case at this point.

It hasn't panned out, that's for sure. Not all recruits pan out for every coach. CTC had his many fair shares of having NON D1 players. At least we haven't seen that complete mis judgment from Archie. 

[Deserthoozier]

4 hours ago, Treesh said:

I agree.

This situation is too fragile to mess up. We need to be certain with the next candidate if we're going to buy-out this large contract. I don't know any donors but I can imagine it would be silly to buy-out Archie and settle for a lateral move. Would make more sense to wait out the extra year and everyone saves money.

Perhaps it's also important to take a look into the landscape of open jobs in college basketball currently. Archie has to seek out employment if he's fired. He's not going to take Indiana State. But if there were more open jobs that he could fit, we would be off the leash perhaps. I'm not exactly sure how many head coaching jobs will be saved this year. COVID.. 

Archie to New Mexico,!...if his bro, or Lil Richard doesn’t get there first! They like to rehab mediocrity. Low pressure conference, easier to succeed w out constant squeeze.

[Trish]

9 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I agree with the premise here but it's also on the coach to recognize those traits in recruits and to hold players accountable. What accountability has there been for poor shooting?

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Well we all thought Hunter would be a shooter coming in and he had that scary health situation. He's streaky now.

Demizi turned out to be a bust.

Leal looked promising but the other night looked really bad!

Rob is a head-case at this point.

It hasn't panned out, that's for sure. Not all recruits pan out for every coach. CTC had his many fair shares of having NON D1 players. At least we haven't seen that complete mis judgment from Archie. 

[ap2345]

24 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Players aren't responsible for getting better?! 

I wish I could blame poor grades on my instructors.  They just didn't provide me with the answers to all the quizzes, assignments, and tests!  They provided me with materials to learn that but that wasn't enough.  Fire them!!

This is not to take all the blame off the coaches.  They should absolutely be part of the process but let's quit with the "shifting blame from the players."  Armaan wanted and needed a better shot.  He worked his @$$ off during the pandemic downtime to make that happen.  Other players had opportunities to add to their game or develop a weakness.  What did they do?! 

I ******* hate when people do this ****.

It is on the players too. I know this very well. I've seen videos of many players taking time and getting up shots. The problem is if a guy has a bad shot are they being corrected or continuing to work on bad habits. I see a lot of bad habits that haven't been fixed. That's what I was referring too. There is a lack of coaching or players listening going on. I'm also tired of people blaming Marshall for doing his job so that's why I said what I did. 

[rcbowla]

You can’t make a kid go to the gym to put in extra work


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You bench his @$$ and it may force his hand

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[yogisballin]

Keeping Archie next season would be a clear signal from the IU administration that they no longer are serious about basketball. It’d be as clear of a signal as you could get. That’s the bottom line.
 
Archie Miller has done nothing in his four seasons to deserve a fifth season. His results are unacceptable at a top tier program. His results would get him fired at a dozen or more programs throughout the country. If we keep him, that says all we need to know as fans.

It is really this simple imo. Agree 110%


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[rcbowla]

Well we all thought Hunter would be a shooter coming in and he had that scary health situation. He's streaky now.
Demizi turned out to be a bust.
Leal looked promising but the other night looked really bad!
Rob is a head-case at this point.
It hasn't panned out, that's for sure. Not all recruits pan out for every coach. CTC had his many fair shares of having NON D1 players. At least we haven't seen that complete mis judgment from Archie. 

I'm talking more about recruiting kids with a relentless work ethic which the guys you gave as examples have/had. That's part of recruiting is recognizing those types of things in kids. It doesn't always work out but you still take those things into consideration.

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[JaybobHoosier]

I’m just curious what the actual criteria is that people can agree on. We want to be significantly better than where we are now. Scott Drew would provide that year after year, but just has post season question marks. Thad Matta is a proven coach, but has health issues and has been out of the game for a little while.
Other potential candidates have some success, but not a high level of it so are we getting another Archie? This is an extremely important higher because it could literal alter the course of this program for a long, long time.
To me, the only perfect candidates are more fantasy than reality: Stevens, Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and a few others. Not getting them means we settle in some areas or hope a hot commodity can improve on being an up and comer.
This isn’t towards anyone other than I just feel like the candidates we can get we will have to settle in certain areas, and some people with be unhappy unless it’s a select few coaches.
I totally get hesitancy, but just hope that whoever we hire gets a chance and a fanbase that will back them for the first 2-3 years!


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[Deserthoozier]

2 hours ago, brandct said:

That would be a real bad look for any incoming coach. That would also basically be admitting to the NCAA that your program broke rules and there could be consequences that come with that.

That’s what UCONN did to Kevin Ollie...got him on kids meeting with a trainer or something small in off season when they weren’t supposed to. Really just didn’t want to pay out / reported to NCAA and then went to court and won.

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

I’m just curious what the actual criteria is that people can agree on. We want to be significantly better than where we are now. Scott Drew would provide that year after year, but just has post season question marks. Thad Matta is a proven coach, but has health issues and has been out of the game for a little while.
Other potential candidates have some success, but not a high level of it so are we getting another Archie? This is an extremely important higher because it could literal alter the course of this program for a long, long time.
To me, the only perfect candidates are more fantasy than reality: Stevens, Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and a few others. Not getting them means we settle in some areas or hope a hot commodity can improve on being an up and comer.
This isn’t towards anyone other than I just feel like the candidates we can get we will have to settle in certain areas, and some people with be unhappy unless it’s a select few coaches.
I totally get hesitancy, but just hope that whoever we hire gets a chance and a fanbase that will back them for the first 2-3 years!


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It reminds me of what Mark Cuban said last week. Every IU fan thinks they are a better coach than whoever is the coach for the last 20 years. After every loss, he said he gets at least 20 emails saying I could have drawn up a better out-of-bounds play than the coach did. Taking it a step further here we are on a message board dissecting and criticizing every potential coach. Let's have some faith that Dolson will take the best available and they will be the one.