Chris007 Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 Is Mike Schrage part of the IU coaching tree? He is the head coach of Elon. Not saying he is good enough for a P5 job, just surprised since I've never heard of him but he was a student manager at IU from 94-98.
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 I'm torn on a favorite to be our new head coach but would certainly support Michael Lewis on the bench as an asst. Stuhoo, Bowhunter, lillurk and 3 others 6
thehelgo Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 26 minutes ago, Treesh said: Archie will have the hottest seat in America heading into next season. Does he want that pressure along with his other coaching staff members? Maybe he walks. If we don't make the dance next year with Archie then his resume to get hired again isn't going to be very pretty. He might be hurting himself by staying a year longer honestly. Archie's seat will be scorching. Looking around the country, the only seat that may rival the heat may be Steve Prohm's at Iowa State. Team is about to go 0-fer in conference play, and they had some seriously good teams under Hoiberg.
Popular Post GnarlyNormEllenberger Posted March 1, 2021 Popular Post Posted March 1, 2021 RE: The Age Issue I know we'd all love to hire a younger coach who could be successful here for the next 20-25 years but I'm honestly not sure how realistic that actually is? We tried that with Archie and it didn't work. We tried it with Crean and it didn't work. We tried it with Davis and it didn't work. I just want us to get the best coach for Indiana that we can possibly get... regardless of age. Just get a good coach. I understand the hesitation for someone like Beilein and that's fair. But we've missed the tournament so much in the last 20 years that we need to make sure we can get someone in here to right the ship and put us on the right course of success once again. I'm afraid that trying to pick the next hot coaching prospect is a bit of a crap shoot and presents a high risk of experiencing the same thing we have just experienced. I know some folks are reserved about picking a guy like Beilein or Matta for health/age reasons... but we know they can coach in the Big Ten. They have had MANY years of high-level success. Even if they were only here for 5-10 years they would most likely put us on the right track for success... at least becoming a perennial tournament team again. People seem intrigued by guys like Musselman and Oats. And they may end up great coaches. But each of them have had exactly ONE year of Power 5 success. That's risky. Golfman25, thebigweave, Class of '66 Old Fart and 10 others 13
rcbowla Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 You put Lewis or Fife as AHC and then add A.J .Guyton as an assistant and I'd gladly take either Beilein or Matta because it shows you have a clear heir in place for either of them. Can't think of a lot of better mentors than those 2 for a HC apprentice. Oh and A.J just because I want him on the sideline. Pick em' on last assistant.Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk thebigweave, ALASKA HOOSIER, Chris007 and 4 others 7
OldBuddy67 Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: Penn St wants the Purdue’s assistant Good! He is a HUGE part of Purdue's success. Also has a Top 150 son who is a sophomore right now(?). Need him to leave Purdue after this year. lillurk 1
Stuhoo Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, Chris007 said: Is Mike Schrage part of the IU coaching tree? He is the head coach of Elon. Not saying he is good enough for a P5 job, just surprised since I've never heard of him but he was a student manager at IU from 94-98. Dan Dakich LOVES LOVES LOVES him FWIW. Course, Andrew got a job there (and that's okay). So yes, Dan Dakich was an IU Assistant who knows Schrage who hired Andrew Dakich. I think that makes Schrage an IU coaching first cousin once removed lol. Chris007 1
RaceToTheTop Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I could see him leaving for Pittsburgh, Penn St or NC State I could see a school like the Miami Hurricanes. Current coach is 71 and they are 36-49 over the last three years after having a pretty decent run. Stuhoo, Chris007 and lillurk 3
Stuhoo Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 41 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: Penn St wants the Purdue’s assistant I can see why. He'd be one of my top two or three "young-ish" choices too. lillurk 1
Stuhoo Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, rcs29 said: You put Lewis or Fife as AHC and then add A.J .Guyton as an assistant and I'd gladly take either Beilein or Matta because it shows you have a clear heir in place for either of them. Can't think of a lot of better mentors than those 2 for a HC apprentice. Oh and A.J just because I want him on the sideline. Pick em' on last assistant. Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Dane Fife is already the Associate Head Coach and heir apparent at Michigan State, a program that has been far more successful than us and has a 66 year old Izzo. There is NO WAY that Fife will ever leave to be anything other than a P5 head coach. 8bucks, LIHoosier, Jeff_Boy_Ardee and 1 other 4
Uspshoosier Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, Chris007 said: Shewsberry? Yep Chris007 1
rcbowla Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 Dane Fife is already the Associate Head Coach and heir apparent at Michigan State, a program that has been far more successful than us and has a 66 year old Izzo. There is NO WAY that Fife will ever leave to be anything other than a P5 head coach.Not to his alma mater to be the exact same thing for an older coach (Beilein) with a great deal of success himself? I wouldn't say no way on that. I don't know him or how he feels but that doesn't seem that crazy to me. Now Matta I could see that being an issue. Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk
Golfman25 Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, finky said: I'm going to step out on a sturdy limb and say Beilein will be the next IU Coach. We all know that isn't a long term solution, but, I think 4-8 years with John at the helm with the understanding succession will be sooner and not later and allow the program along with Beilein's help to plan for that isn't a bad thing..at all. I think this would excite the base and give us one of the best X's and O'x guys around...guy can flat out Coach and minus his stint in Cleveland all he has ever had is success. This is a low risk move for the Trustee's to approve. Success everywhere, stand up guy and his past players love him. He'd certainly give us instant credibility without waiting for a "rebuild." I think it's a good transition hire while we wait for Stevens, et. al. or someone else to develop.
Josh Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 Is there a recruit out there that is 7 feet tall with freaky athleticism that has a father looking for a coaching gig? Stuhoo and tomallenfan 2
Jeff_Boy_Ardee Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 Not to his alma mater to be the exact same thing for an older coach (Beilein) with a great deal of success himself? I wouldn't say no way on that. I don't know him or how he feels but that doesn't seem that crazy to me. Now Matta I could see that being an issue. Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk He’s also from Michigan. I don’t see Fife as a realistic option for any position other than HC. And then you have to decide if you want to be the first big time program to give him the keys.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Chris007 1
LamarCheeks Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 This thread is trending toward Beilein now. And that's fine. But here's the thing nobody seems to be addressing: Does he want to coach college ball again? Sure, he's a proven coach and knows the game, but can a 68-year-old fellow recruit again -- or does he even want to? I got the impression when he left Michigan that he was pretty straight-laced dude as far as NCAA rules go, and was tired of all the blurring of the lines around him -- and that's why he took the Cavs' job. And he was pretty quick to leave that gig when it turned sour. I just got the vibe that he was basically saying: "I'm tired of playing by the rules while others aren't and I'm getting beat in recruiting. I've had enough of this BS." I'm just not sure he wants to be involved in what it takes to run a college program again. Obviously, I have no idea what's in the man's head, but that's just the feeling I got from what I've read. HoosierDYT 1
Chris007 Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said: He'd certainly give us instant credibility without waiting for a "rebuild." I think it's a good transition hire while we wait for Stevens, et. al. or someone else to develop. My question would be can he recruit. Do HS players want to go play for someone who is their grandpa's age? Will coaches use his age against him when recruiting kids. Will someone his age be at the school all 4 years of your eligibility? Those are questions I would need answered before I would be OK with him leading us. lillurk 1
JSHoosier Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 42 minutes ago, GnarlyTimGarl said: RE: The Age Issue I know we'd all love to hire a younger coach who could be successful here for the next 20-25 years but I'm honestly not sure how realistic that actually is? We tried that with Archie and it didn't work. We tried it with Crean and it didn't work. We tried it with Davis and it didn't work. I just want us to get the best coach for Indiana that we can possibly get... regardless of age. Just get a good coach. I understand the hesitation for someone like Beilein and that's fair. But we've missed the tournament so much in the last 20 years that we need to make sure we can get someone in here to right the ship and put us on the right course of success once again. I'm afraid that trying to pick the next hot coaching prospect is a bit of a crap shoot and presents a high risk of experiencing the same thing we have just experienced. I know some folks are reserved about picking a guy like Beilein or Matta for health/age reasons... but we know they can coach in the Big Ten. They have had MANY years of high-level success. Even if they were only here for 5-10 years they would most likely put us on the right track for success... at least becoming a perennial tournament team again. People seem intrigued by guys like Musselman and Oats. And they may end up great coaches. But each of them have had exactly ONE year of Power 5 success. That's risky. Well stated, kind of where I am. At this point we need someone that can get the program back on stable ground so we can move forward and build, we cannot afford another young guy and have to replace him in 4-5 years because we whiffed again.
Chris007 Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said: This thread is trending toward Beilein now. And that's fine. But here's the thing nobody seems to be addressing: Does he want to coach college ball again? Sure, he's a proven coach and knows the game, but can a 68-year-old fellow recruit again -- or does he even want to? I got the impression when he left Michigan that he was pretty straight-laced dude as far as NCAA rules go, and was tired of all the blurring of the lines around him -- and that's why he took the Cavs' job. And he was pretty quick to leave that gig when it turned sour. I'm just not sure he wants to be involved in what it takes to run a college program again. Obviously, I have no idea what's in the man's head, but that's just the feeling I got from what I've read. I'm also not sure I would want to play for someone who might think that my playing style is like playing like a "bunch of thugs". I think that would turn off a lot of recruits Stuhoo, Class of '66 Old Fart and mamasa 3
Trish Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I'm also not sure I would want to play for someone who might think that my playing style is like playing like a "bunch of thugs". I think that would turn off a lot of recruits Completely forgot that! Wow.. that whole situation at the Cavs was a complete mess. Another candidate down the drain more than likely.. We're screwed. Chris007 1
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