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[Tasmanian Devil]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

He got injured in spring of 2022.  Missed all of the AAU season before his senior year.   They said they were in no hurry to rush back since he already had his scholly.  He then sat out all of his senior year besides a handful of games at the end of the year.  He would play a game and then sit out the next game.    He looked good in the game I watched on tv however he still had a huge brace on.   In my opinion that injury was more serious then they let on because he has basically hasn’t played many games in over a year and half and IU staff is still taken it slow.     I hope he gets fully cleared this year or if he isn’t I hope he takes the time to get it right because if he is fully healthy he is the type of guard that IU has been missing 

Spot on.

Fully healthy, Newton can be a devastating defender. He’s not the scorer Calbert was, but his situation is so much like Cheaney’s where he is almost a complete unknown.

[DChoosier]

9 hours ago, TeeterInNJ said:

Are recruits just not buying what Cal is selling anymore? 

Things certainly seem “disjointed” for Cal/UK this off season but on the other hand MM is one of IU’s highest rated recruits since 2000, and Im thrilled we landed him, but Cal has 3 guys coming in rated higher than MM this year alone (and he has 4 of the top 16 2023 guys coming in).  
 

[Tasmanian Devil]

9 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Things certainly seem “disjointed” for Cal/UK this off season but on the other hand MM is one of IU’s highest rated recruits since 2000, and Im thrilled we landed him, but Cal has 3 guys coming in rated higher than MM this year alone (and he has 4 of the top 16 2023 guys coming in).  
 

The problem? UK is made up of 5 freshmen and 2 sophomores who between them have played a total of 96 minutes.

Calipari has no experience whatsoever. It’s no coincidence his teams have been underachieving the past 6 years.

[DChoosier]

29 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Spot on.

Fully healthy, Newton can be a devastating defender. He’s not the scorer Calbert was, but his situation is so much like Cheaney’s where he is almost a complete unknown.

Although it is often repeated……Cheaney was not an almost completely unknown player. Hoopscoop, which was big back in the day, had him ranked 31st in the country and other services had him in their top 50. He was overshadowed by the burger boys in IU’s ‘89 class but the frequently stated narrative that he was a lowly ranked unknown recruit is not accurate.

[TheWatShot]

9 hours ago, TeeterInNJ said:

Are recruits just not buying what Cal is selling anymore? 

I think he's past his peak as a coach. You see this sometimes with coaches once they get into their 60's. They just don't have the recruiting energy and charisma they once did, and it doesn't take long for players to notice. (and before someone mentions Woodson, I'm talking about coaches who have been doing this for decades)

 

He's gone from boasting about how he can get any guy he wants, whenever he wants, to practically begging the UK fanbase for patience and understanding. Izzo is kind of in the same boat. He used to just win all the time, now he does a lot more whining. Getting old sucks. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

7 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I think he's past his peak as a coach. You see this sometimes with coaches once they get into their 60's. They just don't have the recruiting energy and charisma they once did, and it doesn't take long for players to notice. (and before someone mentions Woodson, I'm talking about coaches who have been doing this for decades)

 

He's gone from boasting about how he can get any guy he wants, whenever he wants, to practically begging the UK fanbase for patience and understanding. Izzo is kind of in the same boat. He used to just win all the time, now he does a lot more whining. Getting old sucks. 

Disagree on Izzo.

Michigan St has been extremely successful consistently - very few times over his career can you say the Spartans have fielded a “bad” team. Can’t recall a time when Izzo has ever had his program in the disarray Kentucky has been the last 3 years.

[Demo]

‘23 top 100ish SF Jordan Burks commits to UK after de-commiting from Ole Miss. So now they have 8. 

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, Demo said:

‘23 top 100ish SF Jordan Burks commits to UK after de-commiting from Ole Miss. So now they have 8. 

• Composite rated 172. 
• Extremely skinny -- I've seen 6'9", 180.
• Talented, but one of the reasons he is ranked low is supposedly because he is immature (even for an 18 year old). 

I other words, exactly what will not help Kentucky. It gets them closer to being able to play 5 v 5 in practice, but leaves them with six freshmen, and two sophs who averaged less than 10 mpg last year.  Mulcahy would be a home run for them, but I wonder if he's even interested in dealing with a team that will need to be babysat by him as a veteran player, when he would have to do so without any help from other veteran players.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

• Composite rated 172. 
• Extremely skinny -- I've seen 6'9", 180.
• Talented, but one of the reasons he is ranked low is supposedly because he is immature (even for an 18 year old). 

I other words, exactly what will not help Kentucky. It gets them closer to being able to play 5 v 5 in practice, but leaves them with six freshmen, and two sophs who averaged less than 10 mpg last year.  Mulcahy would be a home run for them, but I wonder if he's even interested in dealing with a team that will need to be babysat by him as a veteran player, when he would have to do so without any help from other veteran players.

Cal should probably hurry it up because they have games next month.

[Demo]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

• Composite rated 172. 
• Extremely skinny -- I've seen 6'9", 180.
• Talented, but one of the reasons he is ranked low is supposedly because he is immature (even for an 18 year old). 

I other words, exactly what will not help Kentucky. It gets them closer to being able to play 5 v 5 in practice, but leaves them with six freshmen, and two sophs who averaged less than 10 mpg last year.  Mulcahy would be a home run for them, but I wonder if he's even interested in dealing with a team that will need to be babysat by him as a veteran player, when he would have to do so without any help from other veteran players.

Given that Burks was a Kermit Davis recruit, if that’s an accurate eval of the kid then I’m guessing the “de-commitment” was Beard saying, “Yeah, no.” That couldn’t sound less like his kind of player.

[Stuhoo]

I mean, holy crap. This commitment video is priceless. The assortment of hats. The Cliff Alexander style - "I'm snapping like a Gator ...naw" before he picks up the Kentucky hat. The random product placement.

The quotes:

• "I wanna play for the coach. He just happened to coach (points to UK hat on his head) at this school. So I be a Wildcat."
• Question: "What's the best part of that historical campus?" Answer: "The practice facility is like, ten steps from where you lay your head. I'm not gonna lie. That's the best thing."

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I mean, holy crap. This commitment video is priceless. The assortment of hats, the product placement.

The quotes:

• "I wanna play for the coach. He just happened to coach (points to UK hat on his head) at this school. So I be a Wildcat."
• Question: "What's the best part of that historical campus?" Answer: "The practice facility is like, ten steps from where you lay your head. I'm not gonna lie. That's the best thing."

 

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I mean... Definitely not normal for Cal to be recruiting these kids... There's playing time up for grabs at arguably the biggest brand in the sport. No need to actually no anything about Kentucky.. they are losers anyways.

[RaceToTheTop]

Trilly Donovan alluding to Wilcher committing to St. John's.

This would put St. John's over the scholarship limit.  I believe I had heard rumors at one point that there were potential issues with one of their transfer players -- I believe it was Daniss Jenkins, who transferred from Iona to St. John's.  Averaged 15.6 points, 4.4 rebounds, and 4.9 assists.  If it's not because of a transfer issue, bringing in a 14th scholarship player and then bumping someone else he recruited would be a pretty shitty thing to do this late in the game.

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Trilly Donovan alluding to Wilcher committing to St. John's.

This would put St. John's over the scholarship limit.  I believe I had heard rumors at one point that there were potential issues with one of their transfer players -- I believe it was Daniss Jenkins, who transferred from Iona to St. John's.  Averaged 15.6 points, 4.4 rebounds, and 4.9 assists.  If it's not because of a transfer issue, bringing in a 14th scholarship player and then bumping someone else he recruited would be a pretty shitty thing to do this late in the game.

That would be so incredibly out of character for Pitino... :D 

[RaceToTheTop]

7 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

That would be so incredibly out of character for Pitino... :D 

What's funny is that on St. John's message boards they just say 'the 14th scholarship will just come from NIL money and that player will be a walk on.'  Totally avoids two issues:  1.  The NCAA would love to find PItino liable for a violation and the university can't just promise a recruit NIL money instead of tuition 2.  You can't keep 14 guys happy....especially when 13 of those guys just transferred/committed to your school.

14th guys on a team simply aren't making much NIL money.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

29 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

What's funny is that on St. John's message boards they just say 'the 14th scholarship will just come from NIL money and that player will be a walk on.'  Totally avoids two issues:  1.  The NCAA would love to find PItino liable for a violation and the university can't just promise a recruit NIL money instead of tuition 2.  You can't keep 14 guys happy....especially when 13 of those guys just transferred/committed to your school.

14th guys on a team simply aren't making much NIL money.

I'd argue it's hard to keep 11-13 happy let alone sometimes the guys 1-10.  Nowadays, I'm not sure how you keep 11-13 happy besides setting the expectations, but even then.  

[Tasmanian Devil]

4 hours ago, Demo said:

‘23 top 100ish SF Jordan Burks commits to UK after de-commiting from Ole Miss. So now they have 8. 

6 freshmen, 2 sophs who have 96 minutes between them. Train wreck waiting to happen.

[Stuhoo]

15 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I'd argue it's hard to keep 11-13 happy let alone sometimes the guys 1-10.  Nowadays, I'm not sure how you keep 11-13 happy besides setting the expectations, but even then.  

In a perfect world the way it works out is with:

• Injuries, 
• A freshman or two that understand coming in that they will have little chance of seeing the floor (like Joey Hart if he comes to IU), or
• A player or two like Anthony Leal who are thrilled simply to be at the program because of the university.

If our 11-13 this year are Leal, Hart, and either a not-ready health-wise Newton (I hope that's not it) or an unexpected injury (I hope that's not it either), we will have a deep and happy roster. If we are fortunate enough to have only Leal and Hart/empty spot unavailable? That 11th guy is likely to be a frustrated player.

[AZ Hoosier]

26 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

In a perfect world the way it works out is with:

• Injuries, 
• A freshman or two that understand coming in that they will have little chance of seeing the floor (like Joey Hart if he comes to IU), or
• A player or two like Anthony Leal who are thrilled simply to be at the program because of the university.

If our 11-13 this year are Leal, Hart, and either a not-ready health-wise Newton (I hope that's not it) or an unexpected injury (I hope that's not it either), we will have a deep and happy roster. If we are fortunate enough to have only Leal and Hart/empty spot unavailable? That 11th guy is likely to be a frustrated player.

Understood... but the goal is not to get a 11-13 player, but to get a 5-8 player and then everyone gets bumped back a spot... with the exception of a guy like Leal, what coach is actively recruiting a player projected to fall that low on the depth chart? And then there's the "preferred walk-on" players - that, too, is a special kind of lunacy...

[Stuhoo]

36 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Understood... but the goal is not to get a 11-13 player, but to get a 5-8 player and then everyone gets bumped back a spot... with the exception of a guy like Leal, what coach is actively recruiting a player projected to fall that low on the depth chart? And then there's the "preferred walk-on" players - that, too, is a special kind of lunacy...

So, if we get Reeves and everyone is healthy and expecting/hoping to play except for Leal, who understands his role?

We will have two-four players who are frustrated and will strongly consider 'portaling' after the season. That's what motivated Lander, Duncomb, and Geronimo to transfer.