NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

[AH1971]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Cool sometimes you need a guy who can manufacture a bucket to end a 5 minute scoring drought.  Wilkerson wasn’t a good enough scorer to do that 

Lol

[Demo]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

 

It’s going to be a long offseason. Ultimately people will see what they want to see.
 

Look at that kid above from Belmont:
 

-He’s played in the MVC just like Tucker. 
-He’s conf player of the year just like Conerway. 
-He’s a big guard who shot 40% from 3 on high volume just like Wilkerson.  
 

 

Yup. Also spent the last 2 years being coached by 1 of the best developmental coaches in the country. At Belmont Alexander developed Malik Dia(15/6 at Ole Miss), Cade Tyson(20/5 at Minny) and Ja’Kobi Gillespie(18/5assts at Tennessee). Not necessarily advocating for Lundblade, probably fair to assume he’ll follow Alexander to K-State, just saying that where they played isn’t necessarily the thing. How well they’ve been coached is the thing. 

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Demo said:

Yup. Also spent the last 2 years being coached by 1 of the best developmental coaches in the country. At Belmont Alexander developed Malik Dia(15/6 at Ole Miss), Cade Tyson(20/5 at Minny) and Ja’Kobi Gillespie(18/5assts at Tennessee). Not necessarily advocating for Lundblade, probably fair to assume he’ll follow Alexander to K-State, just saying that where they played isn’t necessarily the thing. How well they’ve been coached is the thing. 

Also coached Ben Sheppard and Will Richard.

[Brass Cannon]

46 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Lol

This fanbase is surreal at times. It’s like we’ve already started to forget the 6 minute long scoring droughts 

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

This fanbase is surreal at times. It’s like we’ve already started to forget the 6 minute long scoring droughts 

So any team who suffers a 6 minute scoring drought doesn’t have a certified go to scorer? IU had a ton of problems this year, but Wilkerson’s ability to score the basketball wasn’t one of them. Terrible take.

[Crimson and Cream]

12 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

This fanbase is surreal at times. It’s like we’ve already started to forget the 6 minute long scoring droughts 

Counter argument. When you only have 1 shot maker it's not that hard to focus your defense on him and make someone else beat you. And when that team has no one else, there's your scoring drought. It was a roster construction/lack of talent issue, not a "Lamar Wilkerson isn't a good enough scorer" issue.

[Golfman25]

28 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

This fanbase is surreal at times. It’s like we’ve already started to forget the 6 minute long scoring droughts 

6?  That was a short one. :(((((

[IUCrazy2]

10 hours ago, yogisballin said:

No disrespect to you or the kid. And before I get this out, I've never seen a second of his game. But if this is the likes of what we'll go after. I'm afraid DDV, won't make it. I'd be happy with looking at this kid as a 11-13 in the rotation option, maybe. No, you know what? I'm tired of losing to NW and MN. Go get us some players and get this ship righted. I'll remain hopeful of DDV seeing some success here because honestly. It's our best option.

You won't be able to afford 10 all stars nor will you keep them all.  The kid was the Horizon league Freshman of the Year.  10 it's, 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks in conference as a Freshman.  Yeah, go grab the dude for spot 10-13 right now and develop him.  That is exactly what I am saying.

10 hours ago, yogisballin said:

43 year hardcore IUBB fan right here. But our program is currently dead, it has no juice. And maybe that's to be blamed on the admin. We've got too many non-Indiana/Midwest kids and that's another big reason for the lower attendance? I'd like to see a study on this actually but maybe I'm a nerd now

You just wrote off an Indiana kid who has shown some ability (granted in a lesser league but he was voted the best Freshman in that league) and are arguing to keep doing things like we have been doing.  Woodson went out and bought a P5 team of mercenaries who didn't give a flying f--- about Indiana.  We are definitely going to have to do some of that again next year but at some point you need to start developing depth and not relying on 1 year mercenaries.  I bet you could get the Freshman of the year in the Horizon League who happens to be from Indiana for pretty cheap AND he has 3 years to grow on your bench.  Having a Jarrad Odle on your team can pay off even if he is sitting behind Jared Jefferies and Jeff Newton most of the time (as an example).

[IUCrazy2]

8 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Cool sometimes you need a guy who can manufacture a bucket to end a 5 minute scoring drought.  Wilkerson wasn’t a good enough scorer to do that 

You guys are going to be miserable this off season if a guy like Wilkerson isn't enough to meet your criteria.

[AH1971]

16 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

You guys are going to be miserable this off season if a guy like Wilkerson isn't enough to meet your criteria.

My fear is we don’t get anyone near as good Wilkerson this haul. I think we’ll have a better, more rounded team, but guys with his skill set and scoring ability don’t grow on trees. He’s easily a NPOY candidate on a better team. No question.

[IUCrazy2]

15 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

My fear is we don’t get anyone near as good Wilkerson this haul. I think we’ll have a better, more rounded team, but guys with his skill set and scoring ability don’t grow on trees. He’s easily a NPOY candidate on a better team. No question.

 

15 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

My fear is we don’t get anyone near as good Wilkerson this haul. I think we’ll have a better, more rounded team, but guys with his skill set and scoring ability don’t grow on trees. He’s easily a NPOY candidate on a better team. No question.

I have adjusted my belief on what I think this program can do in the short term.  We are basically hoping we can build a 22-11 team next year and doing it with some guys that will be here longer than one year.  We don't want to be in a spot where we have to keep bringing in 6 or 7 upper-classmen again in year 3.  At some point you have to start developing younger guys.  The rent a mercenary approach has been the final nail in the coffin of what IU was, I don't think you can build an identity of what we are going to become on the backs of guys that aren't here long enough for fans to even remember two years later. 

[str8baller]

3 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

 

I have adjusted my belief on what I think this program can do in the short term.  We are basically hoping we can build a 22-11 team next year and doing it with some guys that will be here longer than one year.  We don't want to be in a spot where we have to keep bringing in 6 or 7 upper-classmen again in year 3.  At some point you have to start developing younger guys.  The rent a mercenary approach has been the final nail in the coffin of what IU was, I don't think you can build an identity of what we are going to become on the backs of guys that aren't here long enough for fans to even remember two years later. 

I think you want at least one of your high profile additions to be a junior. From there we have Sisley plus the three freshmen next year. Then we’ll have freshmen in the subsequent years.  
 

Michigan had a nice mix of portal players this year. Theoretically they could add one big piece to replace Landenborg and run the whole thing back next year. Wisconsin sort of runs on the model of adding one or two big pieces every year and that’s it. 

[Golfman25]

51 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

You won't be able to afford 10 all stars nor will you keep them all.  The kid was the Horizon league Freshman of the Year.  10 it's, 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks in conference as a Freshman.  Yeah, go grab the dude for spot 10-13 right now and develop him.  That is exactly what I am saying.

You just wrote off an Indiana kid who has shown some ability (granted in a lesser league but he was voted the best Freshman in that league) and are arguing to keep doing things like we have been doing.  Woodson went out and bought a P5 team of mercenaries who didn't give a flying f--- about Indiana.  We are definitely going to have to do some of that again next year but at some point you need to start developing depth and not relying on 1 year mercenaries.  I bet you could get the Freshman of the year in the Horizon League who happens to be from Indiana for pretty cheap AND he has 3 years to grow on your bench.  Having a Jarrad Odle on your team can pay off even if he is sitting behind Jared Jefferies and Jeff Newton most of the time (as an example).

Not sure kids will want to come to sit on the bench and “develop.”   They can play and develop at a lower level and them transfer in a year or two.   We need to find guys on power 4 benches who can play in the Big10.  That is exactly why Carr is here — find those diamonds in the rough.  

[AH1971]

42 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Not sure kids will want to come to sit on the bench and “develop.”   They can play and develop at a lower level and them transfer in a year or two.   We need to find guys on power 4 benches who can play in the Big10.  That is exactly why Carr is here — find those diamonds in the rough.  

Or find ready to play mid-majors. The tournament is littered with kids who started their careers at mid-major schools. 

[IUCrazy2]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

I think you want at least one of your high profile additions to be a junior. From there we have Sisley plus the three freshmen next year. Then we’ll have freshmen in the subsequent years.  
 

Michigan had a nice mix of portal players this year. Theoretically they could add one big piece to replace Landenborg and run the whole thing back next year. Wisconsin sort of runs on the model of adding one or two big pieces every year and that’s it. 

Yeah we will totally have to add some upperclassmen but I am hoping that we sprinkle in a few guys who have more time.  I think you try and go like 75% home grown and 25% portal for your team if you can (eventually, I don't think that will be possible in a year or two).

We need to start building some kind of identity though.  Some culture.  Cignetti came and did that on Day One I feel.  I don't think Devries did.  What even is Indiana Basketball anymore?  I don't think you can build that long term with a bunch of one year rentals.

[IUCrazy2]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Not sure kids will want to come to sit on the bench and “develop.”   They can play and develop at a lower level and them transfer in a year or two.   We need to find guys on power 4 benches who can play in the Big10.  That is exactly why Carr is here — find those diamonds in the rough.  

We need to find players no matter where they are and at varying points in their college career.  2 years of Lamar Wilkerson would have been better than what Myles Rice or Kanaan Carlyle could do.  The problem wasn't that we got non P4 guys last year, the problem was that we got the wrong non P4 guys.  We need to have a better hit rate on the guys we bring in whether P4 or not.

[sirhoosierlot]

11 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Cool sometimes you need a guy who can manufacture a bucket to end a 5 minute scoring drought.  Wilkerson wasn’t a good enough scorer to do that 

I think ultimately what you're saying is we need a slasher that can get to the rim during a drought. I do agree with that and saying that wasn't Wilkerson's game and that he was and is a good scorer can both be true. I thought that's what Conerway's role was going to be coming into this season and we probably would have won the first Northwestern game at least if he didn't get buried on the bench. Weird year. 

[Home Jersey]

12 minutes ago, sirhoosierlot said:

I think ultimately what you're saying is we need a slasher that can get to the rim during a drought. I do agree with that and saying that wasn't Wilkerson's game and that he was and is a good scorer can both be true. I thought that's what Conerway's role was going to be coming into this season and we probably would have won the first Northwestern game at least if he didn't get buried on the bench. Weird year. 

It feels like Conerway and Alexis could've been utilized more effectively this year and the staff just never got things figured out. That's more concerning to me than the roster construction itself. The path to MM was begging for this team to take it, and we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory down the stretch. Brutal. But it happens. Weird year for sure. Here's to hoping next year is less weird.

[Golfman25]

53 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

It feels like Conerway and Alexis could've been utilized more effectively this year and the staff just never got things figured out. That's more concerning to me than the roster construction itself. The path to MM was begging for this team to take it, and we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory down the stretch. Brutal. But it happens. Weird year for sure. Here's to hoping next year is less weird.

It did take them a while to determine Alexis > Bailey.  

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Or find ready to play mid-majors. The tournament is littered with kids who started their careers at mid-major schools. 

 

2 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

We need to find players no matter where they are and at varying points in their college career.  2 years of Lamar Wilkerson would have been better than what Myles Rice or Kanaan Carlyle could do.  The problem wasn't that we got non P4 guys last year, the problem was that we got the wrong non P4 guys.  We need to have a better hit rate on the guys we bring in whether P4 or not.

Thankfully a bunch of guys here aren't responsible for player personnel.  There is a reason guys are at the mid major level -- primarily size and athleticism.  Those can't be taught.  Have to start there and then determine if they have the skill set to compete in the Big10.   You increase your chances looking at guys already there.