Archie. Miller. Fired.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Just now, brumdog45 said:

We all saw Green play.  Green's version of the truth will be that he never took a bad shot or made a bad pass.  

Also seems strange that you 'know' that McRoberts would throw out 'sunshine and rainbows'.  

McRoberts got playing time when he should have been watching from the bench. What bad things could be say?

[Southside]

1 hour ago, NOLA Hoosier said:

https://iufilmroom.com/2020-21/indiana-under-archie-miller-its-time-to-move-on/

Has everyone looked at this? For a certified non-expert like myself, this broke it down concisely and in a way that was incredibly easy to read.

Yup. Pretty simple story. I skimmed it pretty quick, but I'd just add that he wasn't really great at recruiting either (sorry if they mentioned it). He was good inside the state, but was pretty meh outside the state. He did get some big in-state names, but he also lost several I think we should have locked down. IMO, wouldn't doubt if it was because style of play.

 

Regardless, I hope they're not cheap. I know it's 7M cheaper to drop the hammer next year, but another year will hurt IU given most will know he's a lame duck. Hoping another team is already interested in him, which would help with the buyout.

[TheWatShot]

1 minute ago, Irish YJ said:

 

 

I know it's 7M cheaper to drop the hammer next year,

I've seen this phrase getting thrown around a lot. Are we really saving $7 million by keeping him another year? If he's here next year, we still have to pay him his salary, then half of his remaining buyout. I think that's actually only about $3 million in that case. 

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

McRoberts got playing time when he should have been watching from the bench. What bad things could be say?

Well, hell why don't we go out and ask your hero Clifton Moore for his advice?

[Southside]

6 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I've seen this phrase getting thrown around a lot. Are we really saving $7 million by keeping him another year? If he's here next year, we still have to pay him his salary, then half of his remaining buyout. I think that's actually only about $3 million in that case. 

I read (I think SI or ESPN) that if we can him now, his buyout is 10.5M. If next year, 3.5M. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

10 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Well, hell why don't we go out and ask your hero Clifton Moore for his advice?

Okay. I'm down for it. 

[TheWatShot]

7 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

I read (I think SI or ESPN) that if we can him now, his buyout is 10.5M. If next year, 3.5M. 

I know, I'm saying that if we fire him next year, we pay a smaller buyout, but we'd still have to pay his annual salary. In that case, $3.5 million to coach the season, plus $3.5 million buyout. So, we aren't really saving $7 million by waiting a year. It's more like $3 million. 

[Magnanimous]

13 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

I read (I think SI or ESPN) that if we can him now, his buyout is 10.5M. If next year, 3.5M. 

His buyout drop also doesn’t hit until April 1, 2022. There would be no firing next year until the season was complete. Considering this roster with Archie as coach is probably finishing 11th or worse in the B1G next season, we’d going to be calling for his firing well before April. If he’s not even going to make it through next season you fire him now. 

[Stromboli]

10 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I know, I'm saying that if we fire him next year, we pay a smaller buyout, but we'd still have to pay his annual salary. In that case, $3.5 million to coach the season, plus $3.5 million buyout. So, we aren't really saving $7 million by waiting a year. It's more like $3 million. 

You forgot to add in $7 mil for Brad next year

[rcbowla]

McRoberts got playing time when he should have been watching from the bench. What bad things could be say?

McRoberts was the only player that played a minute of basketball that also had 3 total Div 1 college coaches to compare him to. I think he'd be able to give a good opinion based on that alone. That's why I added him.

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[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

I know, I'm saying that if we fire him next year, we pay a smaller buyout, but we'd still have to pay his annual salary. In that case, $3.5 million to coach the season, plus $3.5 million buyout. So, we aren't really saving $7 million by waiting a year. It's more like $3 million. 

Are we paying a coach next season or just looking for volunteers?

[Southside]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

I know, I'm saying that if we fire him next year, we pay a smaller buyout, but we'd still have to pay his annual salary. In that case, $3.5 million to coach the season, plus $3.5 million buyout. So, we aren't really saving $7 million by waiting a year. It's more like $3 million. 

You're not factoring the additional new coach's salary. 

So if we hire someone, let's say at 4M a year, we'd pay 4+10.5 in 2021 totaling 14.5.

If we wait, we're only paying his base this year. Then next year, we fire him, pay the new coach 4M+3.5M buyout totaling 7.5M.

[Southside]

1 hour ago, Magnanimous said:

His buyout drop also doesn’t hit until April 1, 2022. There would be no firing next year until the season was complete. Considering this roster with Archie as coach is probably finishing 11th or worse in the B1G next season, we’d going to be calling for his firing well before April. If he’s not even going to make it through next season you fire him now. 

Oh they'd definitely wait (if they don't pull the trigger now). That doesn't mean they wouldn't have a plan, or identified candidates. 

[Magnanimous]

1 minute ago, Irish YJ said:

Oh they'd definitely wait (if they don't pull the trigger now). That doesn't mean they wouldn't have a plan, or identified candidates. 

Fans will be back in the stands and next season will fall off a cliff by mid-Jan, especially if there’s no TJD. It could get really bad for all parties if this is allowed to linger for over two months to end next season.

[Southside]

24 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Are we paying a coach next season or just looking for volunteers?

I said give me a 5 year 20M dollar deal, and I'd donat'e 10.5 to pay Archie's buyout lol.

In all seriousness, unless boosters really love Archie, which I really doubt, I'm sure they will be willing to foot most, if not all, of the buyout (assuming we are going after someone they want).

[Southside]

4 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Fans will be back in the stands and next season will fall off a cliff by mid-Jan, especially if there’s no TJD. It could get really bad for all parties if this is allowed to linger for over two months to end next season.

Agreed. I've still watched most games, but I've watched less, and paid less attention when watching, than I ever have (and I'm getting old lol). Not saying I'm a super fan, or representative of the larger base, but I have to believe folks stopped tuning in as much, and would expect the admin to understand that. And we can't ignore the impact to recruiting either.

[HoosierFan1994]

Just trying to follow along from what I've read on here and other sites from those who we can trust: 

1) It sounds like money is not an issue for Archie's buyout. They have enough raised. 

2) Dolson has put out flyers for the job/agents of coaches have approached Indiana showing interest. 

3) There was a B.O.T meeting today with people in the athletic department. 

[Magnanimous]

3 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Just trying to follow along from what I've read on here and other sites from those who we can trust: 

1) It sounds like money is not an issue for Archie's buyout. They have enough raised. 

2) Dolson has put out flyers for the job/agents of coaches have approached Indiana showing interest. 

3) There was a B.O.T meeting today with people in the athletic department. 

4) Archie’s job status has been blasted across the country for over a week and our AD has said nothing.

[HoosierFan1994]

2 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

4) Archie’s job status has been blasted across the country for over a week and our AD has said nothing.

Yes. You'd think he would say something IF he was coming back. I can see a change coming as early as Friday morning. 

[coonhounds]

4) Archie’s job status has been blasted across the country for over a week and our AD has said nothing.

Yes imo writing on the wall. No way they are just pretending it isn't out there. He will be fired and deservedly so. He made 3 million plus a year to make us look stupid. I believe every American should make the most they can but if I am him I say forget the buyout I owe you guys cause I failed pretty bad on court. Call it even cause I didn't emberrass you off it. Lol

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