Archie. Miller. Fired.

[TheWatShot]

If we want to take this all the way back to the beginning, go watch Archie Miller's introductory press conference. I watched a couple minutes and then stopped because it was so boring. It reminded me of when I was in high school speech class and was scared sh*tless of talking in front of people. 

[Vauxhall and IU]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I was there. This was right at the beginning of them announcing the lineups. 
 

I didn't even think to include the picture I took. Looking at it now, 70% may have been generous. 

I remember afterwards everyone just kind of filing out of there quietly, with this big collective feeling of "...ohh-kayyy."

[Magnanimous]

37 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

 

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

The downtown party scene (pre-Covid) isn’t the same as it was a decade ago. I graduated in 2011 and went back for grad school in 2016-17. I forgot which day it was but when I was there in grad school, either Friday or Saturday, but Kilroys Sports wasn’t even open. That was unheard of a decade ago, one of the most popular bars being closed one day each weekend. Maybe someone can explain it me because it didn’t make any sense and when it was open it was never as packed as it used to be. Downtown for Halloween wasn’t as crazy either when I went back. The busiest I ever saw the bars during that 2016-17 period was when the Cubs won the WS. Brothers and the Tap were just as popular,  but Sports being that dead was shocking. 

Tailgating went to hell for students too. Instead of a madhouse free for all, there was now a designated fenced in area for the frats that you needed to go through security to get into (I wasn’t trying to drink with the Greeks in grad school...but another observation). Everything felt watered down. Little 5 concerts seemed weaker, and nothing even remotely resembled when Girl Talk in the rain tore up Dunn Meadow (2009 I think?). 

[Feathery]

7 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

If we want to take this all the way back to the beginning, go watch Archie Miller's introductory press conference. I watched a couple minutes and then stopped because it was so boring. It reminded me of when I was in high school speech class and was scared sh*tless of talking in front of people. 

Had this debate on another board with someone. I had the same feeling at the initial press conference. The stage was too big and he didn’t realize it until he got here. It was the oh shite moment for Archie. 

[zsmithey4]

38 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

All this talk about low attendance numbers has got me thinking about something. Show of hands: how many folks here were actually AT the notorious Indiana State game?

I was. And I remember going in being SO pumped, thinking this was a new era for IU basketball and that the fanbase was raring to go after the darkness of the Crean years (which in retrospect, LMAO). I genuinely believed that the place was going to be packed and rocking that night.

Instead, I got there and discovered the Hall dotted with empty seats. It might've been marginally better attended than the usual cupcake games but it was still only maybe 70% full, and a huge number of the people who were there were ISU fans.

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

To be fair I was a student at the time at the game and that was the first night of IUDM weekend so a lot of people around town were busy with that

[zsmithey4]

3 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

The downtown party scene (pre-Covid) isn’t the same as it was a decade ago. I graduated in 2011 and went back for grad school in 2016-17. I forgot which day it was, either Friday or Saturday, but Kilroys Sports wasn’t even open. That was unheard of a decade ago, one of the most popular bars being closed one day each weekend. Maybe someone can explain it me because it didn’t make any sense and when it was open it was never as packed as it used to be. Downtown for Halloween wasn’t as crazy either when I went back. The busiest I ever saw the bars during that 2016-17 period was when the Cubs won the WS. Brothers and the Tap were just as popular,  but Sports being that dead was shocking. 

Tailgating went to hell for students too. Instead of a madhouse free for all, there was now a designated fenced in area for the frats that you needed to go through security to get into (I wasn’t trying to drink with the Greeks in grad school...but another observation). Everything felt watered down. Little 5 concerts seemed weaker, and nothing even remotely resembled when Girl Talk in the rain tore up Dunn Meadow (2009 I think?). 

I believe because KOK and Sports are owned by the same people and KOK has Friday After Class on Fridays for $2 beers they don’t want to have Sports open at the same time to compete with themselves

[Magnanimous]

1 minute ago, zsmithey4 said:

I believe because KOK and Sports are owned by the same people and KOK has Friday After Class on Fridays for $2 beers they don’t want to have Sports open at the same time to compete with themselves

On a weekend night? Seems like a complete waste and filling both wasn’t an issue “back in my day.”

[IUrocker]

So are people starting to think there’s signs that show they are leaning towards Archie staying, or still no way? Not asking because we haven’t heard anything yet, it’s understandable that we haven’t this soon, but seems like there’s more talk of him staying. Hopefully those people don’t know anything lol 

[zsmithey4]

5 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

On a weekend night? Seems like a complete waste and filling both wasn’t an issue “back in my day.”

I don’t think it would be an issue there was never a bar I went to on a Tuesday, Thursday, or weekend that wasn’t packed but I’m not sure what it was like when you were there but Fridays now a lot of people are going out during the day to KOK and just end up staying there all night. It’s a ***** and a half to get a beer there on a Friday so you gotta be economical about it and buy 3 at a time haha

[RaceToTheTop]

Honestly, forget losing fans if we Miller is back.....we ARE going to lose players in terms of transfers and recruits.  Of course you can lose players to transferring if you bring a new coach in, but if a reason for not firing Archie is player exodus.....I think it's going to happen.  And I think if Dolson and the BOT do their due diligence and contact players, they are going to find that is the case.

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

So are people starting to think there’s signs that show they are leaning towards Archie staying, or still no way? Not asking because we haven’t heard anything yet, it’s understandable that we haven’t this soon, but seems like there’s more talk of him staying. Hopefully those people don’t know anything lol 

He won't be our coach next year.  

[HoosierAloha]

32 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I really don’t know what you’re getting at here. The buyout is up to $10 million. They’ll end up paying less, but it’ll still be millions of dollars. Whether that is ‘a lot’ depends on who you’re asking I suppose. That, combined with a new coach’s buyout and salary, is a not insignificant amount of money during a year where the school’s finances were hit so hard by Covid. Bringing him back saves them money in the short-term. They wouldn’t  have to pay another coach’s buyout + his new $4-5 million salary this year. They wait a year and the buyout drops from $10 million to $3 million. But, the buyout will insignificant in the long-term if they bring in a coach who starts winning conference championships and making deep tournament runs. 

I was getting at that it went from "saving a lot of money.. costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster" to "I don't think it'd be that much" in the matter of a few posts.  It's funny to see how some posters view it as a lot of money while others think it's not that much and some posters have both thoughts.

[8bucks]

10 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Honestly, forget losing fans if we Miller is back.....we ARE going to lose players in terms of transfers and recruits.  Of course you can lose players to transferring if you bring a new coach in, but if a reason for not firing Archie is player exodus.....I think it's going to happen.  And I think if Dolson and the BOT do their due diligence and contact players, they are going to find that is the case.

Yeah if the BoT says they are thinking of holding off on firing Archie then Dolson has to meet with the returning players. Maybe he has already but he needs to be sure they are not planning to take off if he is retained. Or  for that matter find out if they are going to leave if Archie leaves. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

29 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

I didn't even think to include the picture I took. Looking at it now, 70% may have been generous. 

I remember afterwards everyone just kind of filing out of there quietly, with this big collective feeling of "...ohh-kayyy."

Props for sticking the whole game out haha. My buddy and I peaced outta there with like 10 minutes left in the second half to go to Upstairs. We saw Phinisee, Hunter and Anderson at the concession stand at halftime and thought that it was good that they signed before that game happened. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

I specifically remember that game not being on TV. Pulled up the radio call to listen but I was pissed I couldn’t watch the first game of the glorious new era to come. I remember simultaneously thinking wow I’m glad I didn’t have to watch that but also why did I actually sit through listening to the whole....damn....game.

[Golfman25]

3 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

Do you actually think the BOT puts weight into booing fans? They see dollars and cents. Do you believe if donors weren't ready to pony up the $10M buyout they would even be considering firing AM? Booing adversely effects the players and future recruits much more than any coach , AD, or BOT.

They are doing the math of how much those buyout donations will affect donations to other departments vs increased donations from a new coach exciting the boosters offsetting the money lost to a buyout. It's really that simple. In their minds they may even be convinced that they are making the decision largely free of financial incentive, but it is what drives them.

I disagree.  Football and basketball are the view the general public gets of the University.  Success attracts students.  That’s why misbehaving coaches are let go.  Empty seats and boos are a really bad look.  The public doesn’t care how good the school of xyz is.  If the BOT doesn’t understand that the teams represent their brand they should resign and go to a mac school. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

15 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I was getting at that it went from "saving a lot of money.. costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster" to "I don't think it'd be that much" in the matter of a few posts.  It's funny to see how some posters view it as a lot of money while others think it's not that much and some posters have both thoughts.

I do think that it’s both a lot and not that much, as much as I know that doesn’t really make sense. They would save millions of dollars this year by bringing Archie back next year. For an administration that likes cutting corners to save a buck during good times, that’s a lot of money during Covid times. But if you look at the amount over a three year span, I don’t think it’d end up being that much. Football should make us a lot of money, and a good basketball team would too over the next three years. 
 

Maybe I’m not making any sense though, I don’t know. 

[Parakeet Jones]

29 minutes ago, Josh said:

He won't be our coach next year.  

From your lips to God’s ears. 

[Golfman25]

47 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

The downtown party scene (pre-Covid) isn’t the same as it was a decade ago. I graduated in 2011 and went back for grad school in 2016-17. I forgot which day it was but when I was there in grad school, either Friday or Saturday, but Kilroys Sports wasn’t even open. That was unheard of a decade ago, one of the most popular bars being closed one day each weekend. Maybe someone can explain it me because it didn’t make any sense and when it was open it was never as packed as it used to be. Downtown for Halloween wasn’t as crazy either when I went back. The busiest I ever saw the bars during that 2016-17 period was when the Cubs won the WS. Brothers and the Tap were just as popular,  but Sports being that dead was shocking. 

Tailgating went to hell for students too. Instead of a madhouse free for all, there was now a designated fenced in area for the frats that you needed to go through security to get into (I wasn’t trying to drink with the Greeks in grad school...but another observation). Everything felt watered down. Little 5 concerts seemed weaker, and nothing even remotely resembled when Girl Talk in the rain tore up Dunn Meadow (2009 I think?). 

Yeah. The new IU where fun goes to die.  

[RaceToTheTop]

6 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I disagree.  Football and basketball are the view the general public gets of the University.  Success attracts students.  That’s why misbehaving coaches are let go.  Empty seats and boos are a really bad look.  The public doesn’t care how good the school of xyz is.  If the BOT doesn’t understand that the teams represent their brand they should resign and go to a mac school. 

They represent the 'brand' to those of who have been long time fans....but as a teacher I can tell you the past thirty years I've seen the emphasis that prospective college students on how good the athletic program is incredibly low on their list.   It's not really effecting student enrollment.  What it does effect, though, is the amount of money the athletic department brings in both in attendance and events and in donations.  I don't see the student body changing based on how strong our basketball program is.....the difference is in the number that will attend the games.  There's plenty of other things they can and will do than watching a team lose.