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[Golfman25]

4 minutes ago, bigrod said:

How many times do we have to hear Archie say that there’s nothing wrong with what they are doing, they just have to do it better. Slow starts have been a mainstay in his time, and lineups have rarely been adjusted. Shooting issues, free throws, lack of flow on offense. These have been issues every season, but his response has been to keep doing what they are doing. As has been mentioned many times, all the good coaches play to their players’ strengths. This is just sad...

How many game left?  

[Golfman25]

Just now, HoosierAloha said:

Did it become a Smart phone after that?


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I see what you did there.  :)  

[Vauxhall and IU]

3 hours ago, Hoosier Guy said:

You’re absolutely right. Archie probably would’ve killed at Ohio State just like Holtmann

I firmly believe that if we'd hired Holtmann and Archie had gone to O$U like everyone thought would happen, the results would be about the same and everyone on here would be cursing Fred for not hiring Archie. Anyone who thinks our issues are just X's and O's is kidding themselves.

[Trish]

One Positive: We shot 8/18 from 3! That's 44%! Rutgers made 11 3's, which resulted in a 39%.

 

- Rob Phin was running cross country again last night. Logging 22 minutes with 0 points and 2 rebounds. 

- Frank's injury to the ankle will probably due us in for the remaining games of the year.

-TJD came out aggressive in the 1st half, that's good. We didn't get him the ball much in the 2nd though.. 

- Kristian.. poor Kristian. Kid probably doesn't have confidence to even talk to a girl on campus at this point. At this point he needs to start and play more than Rob however. We have to get him some minutes and maybe an ounce of confidence heading into the off-season.

- This season is more than likely over. The freshman need to see more minutes. Jordan and Leal must play more.

 

[triple]

20 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

I firmly believe that if we'd hired Holtmann and Archie had gone to O$U like everyone thought would happen, the results would be about the same and everyone on here would be cursing Fred for not hiring Archie. Anyone who thinks our issues are just X's and O's is kidding themselves.

I concur that our fanbase puts tremendous pressure on the program.  But the glaring issues associated with coaching are very real.  Through a combination of recruiting and focus we lack the level of shooting required to consistently compete at this level.  Our offense is simplistic and easy to both predict and defend.  Our defense is static and thus increasingly easy to predict and attack.  And finally the team as a whole (not to mention certain individuals) lacks the level of development and confidence needed to consistently hold leads and/or make comebacks in crunch time.  

I agree that Archie probably would have had more success at OSU.  And Holtmann may have struggled more at IU vs OSU.  But I don't agree that the extent of the gap between the two would have been so significant.  The odds that the pressure of the IU job would have caused Holtmann to both miss and fail to correct so many issues are low. 

[HoosierCoop]

[kreigh8]

Depressing realization this morning: Our PG play was better with Josh Newkirk and Devonte Green in Archie's first year than it has been this year. Not the only problem, clearly, but need solid play at the PG position to be successful consistently.

[NOLA Hoosier]

45 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

Depressing realization this morning: Our PG play was better with Josh Newkirk and Devonte Green in Archie's first year than it has been this year. Not the only problem, clearly, but need solid play at the PG position to be successful consistently.

I was actually thinking the other day about how Newkirk was better than Phinisee

[kreigh8]

Just now, NOLA Hoosier said:

I was actually thinking the other day about how Newkirk is better than Phinisee

Just too many players going the wrong way or haven't gotten acclimated this year. Galloway and Phinisee in particular going backwards. Lander and Leal still haven't really found their footing or at the very least Archie can't or won't put them on the floor. Race and Franklin are the development bright spots then TJD still doing TJD things. Not a fun time right now for Hoosier fans. Last night's documentary was cool to see but was showing a time 3 years before this poster was even born. To think Bob Knight came back during the Archie tenure and he might not even survive a year after he shows up after 20 years. Just sickening

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, NOLA Hoosier said:

I was actually thinking the other day about how Newkirk was better than Phinisee

The problem is that

• Freshman Rob Phinisee was far better than Newkirk, but
• Newkirk is notably better than a healthy junior Rob Phinisee

[lillurk]

2 hours ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

I firmly believe that if we'd hired Holtmann and Archie had gone to O$U like everyone thought would happen, the results would be about the same and everyone on here would be cursing Fred for not hiring Archie. Anyone who thinks our issues are just X's and O's is kidding themselves.

It’s not just Xs and Os, it’s Ws and Ls. 

[Hillsdale87]

The problem is that

• Freshman Rob Phinisee was far better than Newkirk, but
• Newkirk is notably better than a healthy junior Rob Phinisee

I think people overrate freshman Rob because of how bad Junior Rob is. He averaged 7 points and 3 assists on 36% shooting. He showed promise, but Rob has never actually been a good player at IU.


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[kreigh8]

Just now, Free Jurkin! said:

I think people overrate freshman Rob because of how bad Junior Rob is. He averaged 7 points and 3 assists on 36% shooting. He showed promise, but Rob has never actually been a good player at IU.


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People have very fond memories of that Butler game winner I believe. Combine that and being from Indiana it fits their narrative of the team being built the correct way comparative to the way CTC built his teams. At least that's the way I see it.

[DChoosier]

3 hours ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

I firmly believe that if we'd hired Holtmann and Archie had gone to O$U like everyone thought would happen, the results would be about the same and everyone on here would be cursing Fred for not hiring Archie. Anyone who thinks our issues are just X's and O's is kidding themselves.

I disagree with you on this one. Lack of consistent effort has been a hallmark of Archie’s teams,  he has left left roster spots open when we needed depth, we have had a constant need for shooters, are plagued by scoring droughts, etc etc...Why would that have changed at OSU? 

[Hillsdale87]

39 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

People have very fond memories of that Butler game winner I believe. Combine that and being from Indiana it fits their narrative of the team being built the correct way comparative to the way CTC built his teams. At least that's the way I see it.

I think that's probably right. He was good for a young freshman, but that's not the same as being actually good. He's never even been average, but that Butler shot was awesome.

[Alford Bailey]

58 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

I think people overrate freshman Rob because of how bad Junior Rob is. He averaged 7 points and 3 assists on 36% shooting. He showed promise, but Rob has never actually been a good player at IU.


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Rob will probably go down as Archies biggest recruiting mistake. We needed a solid pg and Rob is just not close to being a solid B1G point. He looks to be playing in slow motion most of the time.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Just now, Alford Bailey said:

Rob will probably go down as Archies biggest recruiting mistake. We needed a solid pg and Rob is just not close to being a solid B1G point. He looks to be playing in slow motion most of the time.

Not over recruiting Rob and Al. Biggest mistakes. Not getting a 3 that can start and be a shooter. We should be at a point where we have a Big Ten caliber starting PG, Franklin, Big Ten Starting 3. Instead when have an Indiana State starting PG, Indiana State starting SG and Frank. 

[Alford Bailey]

1 hour ago, kreigh8 said:

People have very fond memories of that Butler game winner I believe. Combine that and being from Indiana it fits their narrative of the team being built the correct way comparative to the way CTC built his teams. At least that's the way I see it.

I was at that game and came away with some concerns about Rob because the Butler guards were hounding him to the point he couldnt even get in the offense. He just wasnt quick enough to turn the corner. The game winner was fun though.

[Hillsdale87]

2 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Rob will probably go down as Archies biggest recruiting mistake. We needed a solid pg and Rob is just not close to being a solid B1G point. He looks to be playing in slow motion most of the time.

Yes, and it was really a worst case scenario because Rob looked like the PG of the future during his freshman year, which took PG off of the list of high priorities for 2019. If Rob had been a dud as a freshman, Archie would have had a chance to try to fix it with the next class. But unfortunately Rob's roller coaster development hamstrung the PG position for 2-3 years

[Alford Bailey]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Not over recruiting Rob and Al. Biggest mistakes. Not getting a 3 that can start and be a shooter. We should be at a point where we have a Big Ten caliber starting PG, Franklin, Big Ten Starting 3. Instead when have an Indiana State starting PG, Indiana State starting SG and Frank. 

Pretty much agree. I think Lander was supposed to be an improvement but Im not sure at this point.