Negativity Thread

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

They haven't taken away the ability to use the bench as a motivator.  

Are you sure about that?

[southernindianahoosier2 1,056]

2 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

After reading something on another site, I listened to Dakich's interview Monday with Fischer. Apologies if this has been discussed and I'm late to the game, but I hadn't heard this (I don't live in Indiana, so don't listen to Dakich).

It really made me wonder if there isn't some meddling going on down there. And if there is, there shouldn't be. Don't know if the allusions here were to the Athletes Bill of Rights or some other type of over-involvement, but both Dakich and Fischer insinuated that Archie is being "handcuffed." 

I'm guessing people remain over-sensitized to the Knight era, when the coach grew too big and some things happened that probably shouldn't have, but if you hire a coach, you have to let him coach -- his way. Archie always struck me as a tough, hard-a$$, no-nonsense guy. So I'm surprised, too, that he doesn't seem to be disciplining players -- whether it's through cutting playing time or whatever. If you gotta drop the hammer, you need to be able to do so. You can do that without doing some of the types of things Knight did. 

Both Fisch and Dakich have been critical of Archie in the past. But in this conversation, they seemed to be in his corner. Makes me wonder just what the hell is going on there? 

Fisher: "I think there are guys on this team that can evolve to be better than average. But they've gotta grow up and get to a point where they understand their role and then perform in that role. Honestly, I'm not sure we see a lot of that right now. And I think Archie is doing a terrific job in some respects of getting these guys to understand what their roles are, but some of them may not like those roles."

Dakich: "It wouldn't be bad if this team just shut the hell up and listened. ... Sometime, you gotta check your ego and say 'Why don't I see what this guy's actually saying before anybody talks back.' "

Fisch: "You've gotta have the ability as a coach to get their attention. ... In some respects, I think Archie does his best at that. I'm just not sure he's not handcuffed in that area -- if you know what I mean." 

Dakich: "I do -- and it's crazy. You should never handcuff a guy at that level. I know exactly what you mean ..."

Fisch also said he didn't want to get into or dive too deep into the "handcuffing" aspect of things. And later on, he added: "I think this team has the ability  to be better than they are right now."

And before Fischer came on, Dakich ripped Green and to some extent, Justin, for their supposed on-court exchange. ... 

I can't help but wonder if after this season, Archie will breathe a huge sigh of relief and feel as if the weight of the world is off his shoulders because Green will be gone. I read his background story and want to like the kid, but I just can't help but think he's a royal pain in the a$$.

Interesting stuff ... 

Does anyone know what he meant by handcuffing? like details?

[Golfman25 6,820]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

Are you sure about that?

I am not.  But what is this, Rec. league?  :) 

[bigrod 3,203]

Count me as skeptical. Have they told him he has to stick with an offense that is flawed? Have they told him players are not allowed to practice shooting? I would love to know what "handcuffing" means. I mean, are they giving him the starting lineup?

I guess I just find it really hard to believe that a guy who is as set in his ways as Archie has shown to be would allow much in the way of meddling. If he has, he isn't the coach I thought he was. But, I guess I've already come to that realization.

[TheWatShot 15,539]

Didn't Crean make some cryptic comments about being limited in what he was able to do? Can't remember when, or what he even said, but I feel like this isn't the first time this topic came up. 

[Magnanimous 5,362]

14 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Didn't Crean make some cryptic comments about being limited in what he was able to do? Can't remember when, or what he even said, but I feel like this isn't the first time this topic came up. 

It’s a cop-out argument. Maybe it would’ve have got us Kyrie Irving for 9 games though. 

[TheWatShot 15,539]

I think I remember now: something about how he liked Georgia because he felt like he was on the same page as the athletic department (for all the good that's done). 

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

17 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Didn't Crean make some cryptic comments about being limited in what he was able to do? Can't remember when, or what he even said, but I feel like this isn't the first time this topic came up. 

I believe Crean was referring to recruiting. I think Fish is talking more along the lines of tactics that can be used to motivate players.The kids have alot of leverage currently with the administration.

[HinnyHoosier 6,634]

Count me as skeptical. Have they told him he has to stick with an offense that is flawed? Have they told him players are not allowed to practice shooting? I would love to know what "handcuffing" means. I mean, are they giving him the starting lineup?
I guess I just find it really hard to believe that a guy who is as set in his ways as Archie has shown to be would allow much in the way of meddling. If he has, he isn't the coach I thought he was. But, I guess I've already come to that realization.

Well, would you just go right on ahead and do the things your employer told you not to do and expect to keep your job after so much of that?

Also, if you want him to devote >50% of practices to shooting, he could. But then we’d find something else for which to blame him 100%. Think about it. When a player goes to the gym on his own time, what does he work? Offense. Dribble moves (hopefully more actual ball handling drills) and shooting. They don’t work defensive fundamentals. They don’t do rebounding drills. They can get extra shots up any other (free) time of day. The question is, did/are they? I haven’t been to practices. I have no idea hope he runs them. Maybe there IS a little more time that can be given to shooting. But people act like Miller should be going to the gym FOR them half the time.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,310]

I think I remember now: something about how he liked Georgia because he felt like he was on the same page as the athletic department (for all the good that's done). 

I thought a coach had to have 5 years before declaring he should be fired? Honestly, Crean has a better excuse to need more time than Archie. 1. Georgia sucks at basketball and basically always has. 2. 1 guy(Edwards) isn’t going to help any. Ask LSU with Ben Simmons. 3. Georgia sucks at basketball. 4. Archie already had more to work with than Crean did at Georgia. He’s going to need A LOT of time and any coach going to a place like Georgia is going to need a lot of time and the fans should be happy with making the NIT. That should be their goal and maybe they surprise and go to the tourney.


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[TheWatShot 15,539]

6 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

I believe Crean was referring to recruiting. I think Fish is talking more along the lines of tactics that can be used to motivate players.The kids have alot of leverage currently with the administration.

I was also thinking about the hall monitors known as our compliance department. 

[MikeRoberts 7,996]

I believe Crean was referring to recruiting. I think Fish is talking more along the lines of tactics that can be used to motivate players.The kids have alot of leverage currently with the administration.

I am purely speculating but can imagine a scenario where the administration heard he was threatening or challenging players that didn’t want to buy in to transfer and told him to cool on that type of threat/talk.

There is no way they are determining his starting lineups nor substitutions


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[TheWatShot 15,539]

5 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

We still don’t have an alpha or a group of alphas. We have players that want to fuss and lay down when things go south. A reason we don’t step on anyone’s throat? We’re more concerned with hurting their feelings. I only see a few players that have even a decent attitude and fight on this team.

Regardless, it’s on Archie to either change the attitude or change the players. Call me crazy but I see a different team with Green and David gone. I see a Smith that might actually blossom and compete with Hunter. Those two could be special. We still lack guards unless Phin finally comes around from whatever has been plaguing him. I’m not sure why it seems like he can hit shots and make plays early in the game but struggles after..


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I mentioned during the Maryland game that Cowan was getting to the hoop way too easily and somebody needed to lay him out with a good hard foul the next time he tried to glide down the lane. Nothing dirty, just knock him down hard, make him think twice about gliding to the hoop again. Nobody on this team has the stones to do anything like that and I hate it. 

[Old Friend 8,681]

42 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I thought a coach had to have 5 years before declaring he should be fired? Honestly, Crean has a better excuse to need more time than Archie. 1. Georgia sucks at basketball and basically always has. 2. 1 guy(Edwards) isn’t going to help any. Ask LSU with Ben Simmons. 3. Georgia sucks at basketball. 4. Archie already had more to work with than Crean did at Georgia. He’s going to need A LOT of time and any coach going to a place like Georgia is going to need a lot of time and the fans should be happy with making the NIT. That should be their goal and maybe they surprise and go to the tourney.


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Crean's 3rd year, Indiana was 12-20.  Archie's 3rd year will be significantly better.  Apples and oranges.  Archie has more top 25 wins in his first three years than Crean had in his first 5.   The two are not comparable, but to believe Archie had even close to a full deck when he got to IU is ridiculous.  Zach McRoberts played the 5th most minutes on his first team.   That should be enough for anyone to understand.

[Hoosierfan2017 25,060]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

Crean's 3rd year, Indiana was 12-20.  Archie's 3rd year will be significantly better.  Apples and oranges.  Archie has more top 25 wins in his first three years than Crean had in his first 5.   The two are not comparable, but to believe Archie had even close to a full deck when he got to IU is ridiculous.  Zach McRoberts played the 5th most minutes on his first team.   That should be enough for anyone to understand.

How many years do we have to wait before it's reasonable for us to expect the players to play with consistent effort? By year 4?

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,310]

Crean's 3rd year, Indiana was 12-20.  Archie's 3rd year will be significantly better.  Apples and oranges.  Archie has more top 25 wins in his first three years than Crean had in his first 5.   The two are not comparable, but to believe Archie had even close to a full deck when he got to IU is ridiculous.  Zach McRoberts played the 5th most minutes on his first team.   That should be enough for anyone to understand.

Archie has 8 wins over a Top 25 team in his first 3 seasons so far. Crean in his first 5 had 13. 11 of those came in Zellers 2 years at IU. The other 2 came in Creans 3rd year.


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[Josh 13,245]

29 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Crean's 3rd year, Indiana was 12-20.  Archie's 3rd year will be significantly better.  Apples and oranges.  Archie has more top 25 wins in his first three years than Crean had in his first 5.   The two are not comparable, but to believe Archie had even close to a full deck when he got to IU is ridiculous.  Zach McRoberts played the 5th most minutes on his first team.   That should be enough for anyone to understand.

Tom Crean had no scholarship players on the team he inherited.  Archie had two nba players on his first team.  You're right, there's no comparison

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[Josh 13,245]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

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