Negativity Thread

[Chris007 61,727]

2 minutes ago, BGleas said:

To be clear, I'm not questioning you whatsoever and I really appreciate what you bring to the board. 

Just, none of this makes any sense to me. It's like two groups that don't like each other and are both negotiating for things that actively make themselves look worse. 

If Smith wants to be showcased, then the best way to do that is to be put in a position where he can succeed, play well, and impact winning. Playing out of position, and looking bad doing it, is not in his best interest whatsoever. 

For Archie, agreeing to play Smith out of position to appease him not only sets a horrible precedent for the rest of the team and the program and makes him look extremely weak, but it gives him a greater chance for another season that goes poorly, and not adjusting at all to move Smith back to where he could thrive just makes Archie look bad. 

They both end up looking terrible. 

I know exactly what you're saying and totally agree with it. 

[southernindianahoosier2 1,056]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think at the time there were questions whether Hunter would be able to play this season, Hunter still wasn't very good and no one knew anything about Franklin. Thompson had injury problems so I think the staff felt like they needed him to stick around this season, let him show what he can do to appeal to other schools as a grad transfer. 

Did Archie think that without JS we couldn't be a bubble team losing to Michigan by 24 in February? If that's the case, why couldn't they just bring in another JR grad transfer that had 2 years left?

 

If he has a toxic attitude and is constantly complaining, I get that giving him what he wants could help change his attitude, but it clearly didn't work... so make him transfer at the semester. Unless he's like physically abusive or a bully.. I guess I don't understand how one person could be so unbelievably toxic that it causes the whole team to miss the tourney. 

 

 

[BGleas 8,977]

It also still doesn't answer why we keep playing Smith out of position? College coaches break promises all the time. They lie during recruiting all the time. Why would Archie feel like this one promise has to be kept while the house burns down around him? Tell Smith it was a fun experiment, but it hasn't worked out and that he's going back to the 4 because that's where the team needs him. Simple as that. 

[ray 1,573]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Was this all sprung on Archie after the fact?  Did he not expect the problem with the players to be as bad as it seemingly is?  Why would any coach go into a job with these conditions?  

I'm not sure.  Perhaps it was the lure of an average salary of 3.35 million per year?  Haha!

 

I would have gone all in and let the players talk smack as much as they liked.  I'm guaranteed to bring home a lofty 3.2 million in my second year, so what do I care?  That's enough for me to be canned and enter retirement at my youthful age...or at the very least, it's enough to scrape by on.

[Stuhoo 88,555]

 

Pssst: Rumor has it that Justin Smith now wants to play 'goalie'.

:)                (too much?)

 

[Hovadipo 61,303]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

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COOPER BYBEE HAS A TO% OF 0 WHY NOT GIVE THE LOCAL BOY A CHANCE? LET HIM SHOOT A COUPLE 3’S...GET HOT, MAYBE START HIM ON SENIOR NIGHT??? MAYBE FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON?!?! BYBEE. IS. THE. ANSWER. CREAM WOULDVE PLAYED HIM!

[LamarCheeks 21,985]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Pssst: Rumor has it that Justin Smith now wants to play 'goalie'.

:)                (too much?)

 

Funny, but totally inaccurate. He doesn't strike me as the goalie type. He'd demand to play right wing -- on the first line -- even though he can't skate and can't shoot. 

[Stuhoo 88,555]

1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

COOPER BYBEE HAS A TO% OF 0 WHY NOT GIVE THE LOCAL BOY A CHANCE? LET HIM SHOOT A COUPLE 3’S...GET HOT, MAYBE START HIM ON SENIOR NIGHT??? MAYBE FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON?!?! BYBEE. IS. THE. ANSWER. CREAM WOULDVE PLAYED HIM!

Geez ... they misspelled his name:

It’s Cooper BIEBER

 

[Capt. Crimson 3,983]

COOPER BYBEE HAS A TO% OF 0 WHY NOT GIVE THE LOCAL BOY A CHANCE? LET HIM SHOOT A COUPLE 3’S...GET HOT, MAYBE START HIM ON SENIOR NIGHT??? MAYBE FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON?!?! BYBEE. IS. THE. ANSWER. CREAM WOULDVE PLAYED HIM!

Stealing this lol


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,074]

Exactly what I was predicting.


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[rcbowla 8,200]

If Smith is this all destructive cancer as is being alluded to and yet the staff feels he's critical to the team's success then oh boy. What does that say about the rest of the roster (which is mostly Archie recruits) and how does that give anyone confidence that he can identify talent that will help him win? He's playing the most detrimental piece (allegedly), and not very productive to boot, a significant amount because he hasn't found anyone better in 3 years. Blame the players all you want but if you can't see the forest through the trees then I don't know what to say.

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[mdn82 26,344]

Well I am sure like most everything the truth is somewhere in the middle for a lot of things. Do I think IU fires Archie this year? Nope. Should they if we make the tourney? In my opinion no. That was my baseline for him to buy a 4th year. Progress from last year. Should they if we don’t make the tournament? Without hesitation. It is year 3. Even though I wouldn’t, would I understand if they fired him after these 3 years at IU? Absolutely. There would be no argument from me if they did after this in spite of what I would do. I think that’s the disconnect from the “positive” to the “negative” side in all of this. I don’t think we are all that different in our thoughts. I just think in this environment it’s hard to really gauge what a person truly thinks. Nobody would ask either side those questions above. Both sides would wait for the first opportunity to pick something that fits their narrative. I am as guilty as anyone for that stuff. But I don’t think anyone on this board is as far apart as they think.


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[LamarCheeks 21,985]

10 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Well I am sure like most everything the truth is somewhere in the middle for a lot of things. Do I think IU fires Archie this year? Nope. Should they if we make the tourney? In my opinion no. That was my baseline for him to buy a 4th year. Progress from last year. Should they if we don’t make the tournament? Without hesitation. It is year 3. Even though I wouldn’t, would I understand if they fired him after these 3 years at IU? Absolutely. There would be no argument from me if they did after this in spite of what I would do. I think that’s the disconnect from the “positive” to the “negative” side in all of this. I don’t think we are all that different in our thoughts. I just think in this environment it’s hard to really gauge what a person truly thinks. Nobody would ask either side those questions above. Both sides would wait for the first opportunity to pick something that fits their narrative. I am as guilty as anyone for that stuff. But I don’t think anyone on this board is as far apart as they think.


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Without a significant development on the administrative side, I don't see him going anywhere. Unless they somehow in the next month or so pull a new AD out of the hat, I think Archie stays. I believe (not totally sure on this) that Glass is leaving in May. They certainly don't want him making the decision on Archie's fate. That'll be up to the new AD, and if they don't have a one until then -- that's not an optimal time to be to be looking for a basketball coach. The timing for a firing of Archie just doesn't work. At least the way things stand now. 

[mdn82 26,344]

Without a significant development on the administrative side, I don't see him going anywhere. Unless they somehow in the next month or so pull a new AD out of the hat, I think Archie stays. I believe (not totally sure on this) that Glass is leaving in May. They certainly don't want him making the decision on Archie's fate. That'll be up to the new AD, and if they don't have a one until then -- that's not an optimal time to be to be looking for a basketball coach. The timing for a firing of Archie just doesn't work. At least the way things stand now. 

Yeah I anticipate it will be a very short leash from the new AD unless it’s Dolson. With how successful everyone feels the athletic office is I figure that’s where we go.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 89,837]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

  This was the compromise the staff made with him this summer as he was unhappy and difficult last season 

So I could have been a gynecologist after all if I'd just told my banker bosses I was unhappy?

I'm not mocking Chris in any way.  I just don't know what to make of this whole situation.  It's become surreal and comical in a sad way.  The inmates have apparently taken control of the asylum.  For the life of me I can't fathom why Archie didn't tell Glass to  shove it up his lawyer a$$ when told after the fact he couldn't get rid of players.  He'd have found another coaching position and had he gone public with why he immediately quit, Fred and IU (sadly) would be complete laughingstocks.  

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,074]

So I could have been a gynecologist after all if I'd just told my banker bosses I was unhappy?
I'm not mocking Chris in any way.  I just don't know what to make of this whole situation.  It's become surreal and comical in a sad way.  The inmates have apparently taken control of the asylum.  For the life of me I can't fathom why Archie didn't tell Glass to  shove it up his lawyer a$$ when told after the fact he couldn't get rid of players.  He'd have found another coaching position and had he gone public with why he immediately quit, Fred and IU (sadly) would be complete laughingstocks.  

Love the passion OF. Love it. Indiana administration has long been laughingstocks. How they handled the SampsonGate and it appears set the program in a pit it may never recover from, really irks me. Especially this year, seeing Sean Miller, Wade, Sampson and Pearl coach and succeed.


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[coonhounds 10,529]

If half the stuff I have read is true then iu basketball is dead. Every year we suck though we look for reasons why. Last year players were sleeping with other players girlfriends. This year it's a combination of players listed for various reasons lol. I miss when crean was here and he through players under the bus for us so we didn't have to figure all this out on our own. Good old days when troy Williams made kids transfer. Those were the days. If anything is true archie is finished

 

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[LamarCheeks 21,985]

20 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Yeah I anticipate it will be a very short leash from the new AD unless it’s Dolson. With how successful everyone feels the athletic office is I figure that’s where we go.


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I think he gets next year because that is the critical season. After that, you pretty much have to do one of two things: Fire him and move on; or extend him. Next season is the fourth year of a seven-year contract. So barring any changes before then, after next year, Archie is down to three years remaining. For recruiting purposes, you don't want your coach at a Power 5 basketball program having less than four years on his contract. That's why you cut bait or add another year to his contract (or two, depending on how things shake out next season). 

[Brass Cannon 25,357]

To me the fact we hired Archie signaled we were dead. 
 

Look at some recent(relative) blue blood hires

UNC - Got a coach who had success at a high level 

Kansas - Got a coach who had success at a high level

Louisville Pitino - Got a coach who had success at a high level 

Louisville Mack - Got a coach who had been successful at multiple places making tourney 9 out of 10 years 

Kentucky - Got a coach who was a success at multiple programs 

Archie doesn’t seem similar to any of those 

[TheWatShot 15,454]

15 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

For recruiting purposes, you don't want your coach at a Power 5 basketball program having less than four years on his contract. 

This is a myth. Weak coaches need long contracts to convince people they'll be around. Strong coaches don't need long contracts because people know they'll be around.