Brass Cannon Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, goonaha said: Sorry, didn't realize this was a Dayton board. To answer your question, I got two years out of that because I care about the track record at Indiana and with this roster of players. You, obviously, could have figured that out. Also, he "literally" (as opposed to those figurative teams that he's coached) had a Dayton team shoot 72% in 2012-2013 and 78% in 2011-2012. What an absurd attempt to deflect your failure to understand. rcbowla and AkronHoosier 2 Quote
woodenshoemanHoosierfan Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 Already in midseason form in October. Fair play, this is an absolute take quake.I don't think he has an offseason for negativity. So he doesn't need to get in midseason formI'm not too worried about this game. Hyat a scrimmage and without 2 of our top players. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk mamasa and 8bucks 2 Quote
goonaha Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said: What an absurd attempt to deflect your failure to understand. Is it more absurd to say that he's "literally never had a good free throw shooting team" when I could find two with a quick google search though? So yeah, I misread his initial statement. Because I am thinking about Archie's time at Indiana, I quickly read over his sentence and thought of only Indiana teams. My bad. The horror. But his initial statement, on further investigation, is also objectively wrong. AkronHoosier, Hollywood Mike Miranda and thebigweave 3 Quote
JSHoosier Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, goonaha said: Sorry, didn't realize this was a Dayton board. To answer your question, I got two years out of that because I care about the track record at Indiana and with this roster of players. You, obviously, could have figured that out. Also, he "literally" (as opposed to those figurative teams that he's coached) had a Dayton team shoot 72% in 2012-2013 and 78% in 2011-2012. Low 70s for the easiest shot in the game isn't anything to write home about, so you have a data set of one year. Doesn't change that his teams suck at shooting free throws. So 'literally' isn't the right term but you can expect his teams to be lousy from the stripe because it's an established trend. Iugradman 1 Quote
goonaha Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, JSHoosier said: Low 70s for the easiest shot in the game isn't anything to write home about, so you have a data set of one year. Doesn't change that his teams suck at shooting free throws. So 'literally' isn't the right term but you can expect his teams to be lousy from the stripe because it's an established trend. For context, that low 70s number was good for 96th in the country. Obviously not outstanding, but above average. I guess you get to throw that out though? I didn't realize the goal posts had moved to the standard of "writing home about". Did some further digging, his two years at Arizona, Arizona shot 73.3 (32nd in country) and 74.6 (36th in country). You are correct in that "literally" was not the right term. But when you jump someone over reading comprehension, maybe take care to choose your own words more carefully. Quote
Uspshoosier Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 Low 70s for the easiest shot in the game isn't anything to write home about, so you have a data set of one year. Doesn't change that his teams suck at shooting free throws. So 'literally' isn't the right term but you can expect his teams to be lousy from the stripe because it's an established trend.Low 70’s will put you in the top 100 teams out of 353 Above average. Should low 70’s be above average? Probably not but that’s where it’s at today Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app jk34 1 Quote
Brass Cannon Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 Is it average for teams competing for a NT though. I doubt it Quote
goonaha Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Is it average for teams competing for a NT though. I doubt it I don't know but you're more than welcome to crunch the numbers on that. If you have the capability to export all of basketball-reference and pivot the data for only elite eight teams, I would love to know the answer. I will say that a quick look at the top ten FT% teams each of the last few years is illuminating. A lot of non tourney teams in there. The original discussion was centered around a statement that Archie has never had a good free throw shooting team and that by extension is either incompetent or does not care about his job. jk34 and AkronHoosier 2 Quote
MoyeNeeded Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 57 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Is it average for teams competing for a NT though. I doubt it Virginia 74.6, Texas Tech 72.8, Mich St 75.0, and Auburn 71.0 AkronHoosier 1 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 Virginia 74.6, Texas Tech 72.8, Mich St 75.0, and Auburn 71.0 29th-Sparty, 50-Virginia, 79th- -Tech and Auburn-162 Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave and JaybobHoosier 2 Quote
goonaha Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: 29th-Sparty, 50-Virginia, 79th- -Tech and Auburn-162 Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app How did Tech and Auburn pull that off? Certainly doesn't seem like average for a national title contender! woodenshoemanHoosierfan and MoyeNeeded 1 1 Quote
Brass Cannon Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, goonaha said: How did Tech and Auburn pull that off? Certainly doesn't seem like average for a national title contender! Archie has one year that is middle of the pack for title contenders and your still dying on the hill that his teams are just fine at FTs. We only have to bump up about 200 spots to be in the same company after all Quote
goonaha Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said: Archie has one year that is middle of the pack for title contenders and your still dying on the hill that his teams are just fine at FTs. We only have to bump up about 200 spots to be in the same company after all Sorry, where did I say that we are just fine? Quote
Uspshoosier Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 How did Tech and Auburn pull that off? Certainly doesn't seem like average for a national title contender!LoyolaChicago(127th-72%),Kansas(196th-70), Nova( 10th- 78%), Michigan(323th-66%)Final 4 2017-18 Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app JaybobHoosier, thebigweave, Stuhoo and 1 other 3 1 Quote
Stuhoo Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said: LoyolaChicago(127th-72%),Kansas(196th-70), Nova( 10th- 78%), Michigan(323th-66%) Final 4 2017-18 Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Because 66% is 1.32 points per possession, which is excellent. It’s a dang shame when a team is below standards at the line, but it’s clearly not a make or break statistic. thebigweave and goonaha 2 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Because 66% is 1.32 points per possession, which is excellent. It’s a dang shame when a team is below standards at the line, but it’s clearly not a make or break statistic. Definitely not make or break for a team but would of made life a lot easier if they could just hit FT’s. If I’m remembering right from Michigan’s run people were fouling Simpson late because he FT shooting was terrible and in the tournament he was knocking them down Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
HoosierAloha Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 The good news is them getting to the line 43 times but only making 24 of them (56%) is absolutely embarrassing. If they would have hit just 66% (still turrble) that would have been 4 more points and... a win in a meaningless exhibition game. We can’t rely on getting to the line 40+ times a game because Big Ten. We need to hit at least 70% from the line. That’s nothing crazy and should be achievable. We also need the right players going to the line. That means Green, Phin, Al, and hopefully Hunter and Jackson-Davis being aggressive when we get to the bonus. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners 8bucks, Class of '66 Old Fart and Hardwood83 3 Quote
mdn82 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 The good news is them getting to the line 43 times but only making 24 of them (56%) is absolutely embarrassing. If they would have hit just 66% (still turrble) that would have been 4 more points and... a win in a meaningless exhibition game. We can’t rely on getting to the line 40+ times a game because Big Ten. We need to hit at least 70% from the line. That’s nothing crazy and should be achievable. We also need the right players going to the line. That means Green, Phin, Al, and hopefully Hunter and Jackson-Davis being aggressive when we get to the bonus. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersYeah last year we were good for 13 out of 20 per game. That’s just a number that has to improve. It’s not going to be a main reason we win/lose regularly but it could cost us a couple of games. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app HoosierAloha 1 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Yeah last year we were good for 13 out of 20 per game. That’s just a number that has to improve. It’s not going to be a main reason we win/lose regularly but it could cost us a couple of games. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appA couple of games that could decide a season..Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app mdn82 1 Quote
rcbowla Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 FT's matter a whole lot more to teams that struggle to shoot from the perimeter I'd venture to guess. So I'd say yeah the low FT% for this team could matter quite a bit. Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Quote
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