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10 hours ago, Feathery said:

Doesn’t matter. Pearl is a top coach, top coaches will produce no matter the school. Took him 4 years. Izzo at MSU  3 years. K at Duke 4 years. Calipari at Memphis (pre 1 and done recruiting strategy) took 3 years to make the NCAA’s. But I get it, life is so much better being negative and down about your hobbies. 

I'd still rather have a coach that doesn't have a 'show cause' in his past who now has a former assistant headed to jail in Chuck Person.  Let's not assume this is going to end well.

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1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

I'd still rather have a coach that doesn't have a 'show cause' in his past who now has a former assistant headed to jail in Chuck Person.  Let's not assume this is going to end well.

Agreed. I like watching Pearls teams. Just don’t want him at my favorite team bc if the baggage. Just making the point he is good, bends the rules and still takes 4 years. 

Posted
35 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

2 win away from being the top coach of 2nd year coaches. Considering the injuries and losing streak, this gives me some needed optimism.

Eh I don't know man, 2 of those wins were in the NIT.

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40 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

2 win away from being the top coach of 2nd year coaches. Considering the injuries and losing streak, this gives me some needed optimism.

I don’t think 2 wins would make that big a dent in Kenpom. Unless we traded 2 of our blowout losses for wins. 

Posted
10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

So?  It just as easily could have dropped in the tourney. 

Not if you won games in the tourney. If you lost one game in the tourney it would have been to a likely top 25 KenPom team.

Two more wins almost anywhere on our schedule and Archie would've had the top season (other than Will Wade who had a hell of a year, despite being a cheating fraud) of second year coaches.

This season rode the line of exceeding expectations and falling short. There are a million reasons anyone could point to to explain this, but end of the day, Archie and boys didn't get it done. They'll get another shot this year, and I like to believe the returning personnel had a major year of learning and mental growth.

Our defensive improvement year-over-year is what has me so optimistic.

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Just now, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Not if you won games in the tourney. If you lost one game in the tourney it would have been to a likely top 25 KenPom team.

Two more wins almost anywhere on our schedule and Archie would've had the top season (other than Will Wade who had a hell of a year, despite being a cheating fraud) of second year coaches.

This season rode the line of exceeding expectations and falling short. There are a million reasons anyone could point to to explain this, but end of the day, Archie and boys didn't get it done. They'll get another shot this year, and I like to believe the returning personnel had a major year of learning and mental growth.

Our defensive improvement year-over-year is what has me so optimistic.

That’s a big if. TBH

Posted
48 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Eh I don't know man, 2 of those wins were in the NIT.

The other coaches wins in the post season tournaments are part of their records listed as well. 

Posted
42 minutes ago, Feathery said:

The other coaches wins in the post season tournaments are part of their records listed as well. 

Right, but most of those guys' postseason wins were in the NCAAT, not the NIT.  That was more my point.

Posted
2 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

Right, but most of those guys' postseason wins were in the NCAAT, not the NIT.  That was more my point.

Most? I see 2 with wins in the NCAA, Hopkins and Holtmann. Archie is on schedule. If he made the NCAAT this season he would have been ahead of schedule. 

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Most? I see 2 with wins in the NCAA, Hopkins and Holtmann. Archie is on schedule. If he made the NCAAT this season he would have been ahead of schedule. 

Being “on schedule” might be accurate on the macro level but since we look at things in the micro level it is good to get this macro reminder. That being said, there are legitimate concerns that developed this year on the micro level.

That mid season slide, questions about his ability to coach a one and done, currently stalled recruiting, challenges getting players to play with effort, 3pt and FF shooting, and limited examples of player development (that differentiate us from other teams our level) are all red flags that give concern that Archie may have trouble becoming a top tier coach at IU.

I am hopeful Archie can get it done here and that we can somehow build a strong team (like Purdue did this year) with unheralded players. But there are many legitimate concerns after 2 years. Most of these concerns are just unresolved questions at this point. Some are acting as if Archie is definitely bad in these areas and we just don’t have enough information to conclude yet.

I would feel a lot better if we had fallen a little short but had competed hard every game. I would also feel better had our recruiting momentum not stalled. I still have hope but i would have hoped our list of doubts about our coach would have shrunk but the way this year went that list got bigger for me.


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