RaceToTheTop Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 40 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said: We should hire one of Michigan States Assistant Coaches as our Head Coach. Is their anyone there qualified? Sent from my SM-G935P using BtownBanners mobile app We could hire Tony Jasiak or John Coffman....guys who coached at IPFW and had a winning record. Quote
RaceToTheTop Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 54 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said: Race, Jerome, Zach, and Deron were either injured or rehabbing all year, so they don’t count. Jake was never expected to play. Getting strong takes time. Rob, Al, And Juwan performed admirably. DG improved throughout the year. Damezi and Smith were disappointing, but that’s about it. I didn’t watch Damezi in high school, but I believe most in here didn’t think he would play or contribute much as a freshman. He definitely didn’t look great, but hopefully he can pick it up on defense Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Damezi was surrounded in high school by two other D1 seniors in high school and a pretty easy schedule for a 4A school. Too much o administration and parents thinking thy run the program. Head coach Mark Johnson was pushed out after Damezi's junior season after going 246-130 in 15 years because he refused the demands of administration to pick the number of players he kept and being told of certain players he wasn't allowed to cut. Damezi's senior year Riley went 26-1 with their only loss being to Carmel at semistate under first year coach Eric Brand....and he resigned at the end of the year and went to Southport. Bottom line, the coaches at Riley were pretty handcuffed in their actual ability to coach and discipline. Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Interesting, this is a thread about where this program will go, but all I see is people whining about the past. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners tortex28, Hollywood Mike Miranda, mdn82 and 2 others 4 1 Quote
MoyeNeeded Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 One of the problems that some see as developmental issues are a direct result of team injuries. Hard to develop younger guys when they can't practice or have limited time against better players in practice. cchuntsman and woodenshoemanHoosierfan 2 Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Damezi was surrounded in high school by two other D1 seniors in high school and a pretty easy schedule for a 4A school. Too much o administration and parents thinking thy run the program. Head coach Mark Johnson was pushed out after Damezi's junior season after going 246-130 in 15 years because he refused the demands of administration to pick the number of players he kept and being told of certain players he wasn't allowed to cut. Damezi's senior year Riley went 26-1 with their only loss being to Carmel at semistate under first year coach Eric Brand....and he resigned at the end of the year and went to Southport. Bottom line, the coaches at Riley were pretty handcuffed in their actual ability to coach and discipline.I think somebody else had said he schedule was not very difficult. Different shooting wide open three in hs vs the big ten big with a hand in your face.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk jonz44 1 Quote
coonhounds Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Interesting, this is a thread about where this program will go, but all I see is people whining about the past. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersNot one person knows where this program will go that I am 100 percent sure of. I think after watching more other teams play we need guys who care and want to play for iu. Represent the history of the program. I hope archie can convey that going into next season Sent from my SM-G960U using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 One of the problems that some see as developmental issues are a direct result of team injuries. Hard to develop younger guys when they can't practice or have limited time against better players in practice.To a certain extent but guys like fitzner and anderson missed wide open threes on many occasions. Those two were suppose to be our three point shooters.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Not one person knows where this program will go that I am 100 percent sure of. I think after watching more other teams play we need guys who care and want to play for iu. Represent the history of the program. I hope archie can convey that going into next season Sent from my SM-G960U using BtownBanners mobile appWe need an an guy as an assistant. Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 We have a top 10 paid coaching staff with their sole purpose to figure this stuff out and perform at a higher rate. 2 years in, its been ugly. Archie’s offense is stagnant. I hope shooters make it look better (and it will to an extent) but I’m concerned it still will look about the same. We aren’t killing it in recruiting. The Romeo experiment goes down as a likely failure. Momentum is way down. I don’t think Archie has an identity for how he wants to recruit and win at Indiana. Next year is likely make it or break it time. (Although Archie will get a 4th year even if we miss the tournament again). 2020 recruiting seems behind already. Who are the difference makers we have a chance with? Reasons for concern......Reasons for hope.......1. TJD, Phinisee, Hunter and maybe Green. I like Durham but he should be a 7th/8th man on a good team. 2. Coaching staff hasn’t resorted to cue cards yet. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Napleshoosier, ElectricBoogaloo, Deserthoozier and 4 others 6 1 Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 We have a top 10 paid coaching staff with their sole purpose to figure this stuff out and perform at a higher rate. 2 years in, its been ugly. Archie’s offense is stagnant. I hope shooters make it look better (and it will to an extent) but I’m concerned it still will look about the same. We aren’t killing it in recruiting. The Romeo experiment goes down as a likely failure. Momentum is way down. I don’t think Archie has an identity for how he wants to recruit and win at Indiana. Next year is likely make it or break it time. (Although Archie will get a 4th year even if we miss the tournament again). 2020 recruiting seems behind already. Who are the difference makers we have a chance with? Reasons for concern......Reasons for hope.......1. TJD, Phinisee, Hunter and maybe Green. I like Durham but he should be a 7th/8th man on a good team. 2. Coaching staff hasn’t resorted to cue cards yet. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersI have not seen us mentioned with any top 50 2020 guys. I think until we start winning recruiting will take a hit.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk tortex28 1 Quote
coonhounds Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Yeah recruiting momentum is not lost yet but it is crucial imo for archie survival. That and winning of course that would be nice. Tired of losing Sent from my SM-G960U using BtownBanners mobile app tortex28 1 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 We have a top 10 paid coaching staff with their sole purpose to figure this stuff out and perform at a higher rate. 2 years in, its been ugly. Archie’s offense is stagnant. I hope shooters make it look better (and it will to an extent) but I’m concerned it still will look about the same. We aren’t killing it in recruiting. The Romeo experiment goes down as a likely failure. Momentum is way down. I don’t think Archie has an identity for how he wants to recruit and win at Indiana. Next year is likely make it or break it time. (Although Archie will get a 4th year even if we miss the tournament again). 2020 recruiting seems behind already. Who are the difference makers we have a chance with? Reasons for concern......Reasons for hope.......1. TJD, Phinisee, Hunter and maybe Green. I like Durham but he should be a 7th/8th man on a good team. 2. Coaching staff hasn’t resorted to cue cards yet. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersRecruiting success or lack of success can be an interesting topic. Some would say back to back McDonald’s AA would be a form of success. Also in his first 2 years he did something that hasn’t been done since 1997-1998. The last time IU landed back to back me basketballs was Recker and Coverdale. So far 2/2 early on for Archie(TJD is going to win). Archie has finally been told no by a high level recruit from Indiana. Know we see how the staff will respond. Plenty of time reflect and come back reenergized and ready for a fresh start next year. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Hollywood Mike Miranda, Aeggie, A.j. Nigh and 3 others 6 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I have not seen us mentioned with any top 50 2020 guys. I think until we start winning recruiting will take a hit.Sent from my SM-J700T using TapatalkMorton is 50ish. But he is being recruited by everyone. We don’t lead. Also not a day 1Difference maker. Leal? Eh, I guess. Not awfully impressed. Galloway? Less impressed. Love? I don’t know what our connection is to him. Lots of volume shooter, overrated reactions. 2020 is an odd class.Look at 2019. Thought we had a chance with Hurt, Watford, Stewart, Brooks, TJD and some guys like that. TJD is a huge get. We got 1. Franklin seems solid. On par with Newman for Purdue. Type of kid Notre Dame, Purdue gets on the regular. Maybe Archie will win with guys like that. We targeted better players. Are we seeing a recruiting shift by the staff already? Or is 2020 just an odd cycle? From everything I heard in Fort Wayne, if the Romeo experiment went well we would have got Brooks. That was the measuring stick in the Brooks recruitment. Been told this by friends for Brooks. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app IUsafety, MikeRoberts and ElectricBoogaloo 3 Quote
Brass Cannon Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said: Morton is 50ish. But he is being recruited by everyone. We don’t lead. Also not a day 1 Difference maker. Leal? Eh, I guess. Not awfully impressed. Galloway? Less impressed. Love? I don’t know what our connection is to him. Lots of volume shooter, overrated reactions. 2020 is an odd class. Look at 2019. Thought we had a chance with Hurt, Watford, Stewart, Brooks, TJD and some guys like that. TJD is a huge get. We got 1. Franklin seems solid. On par with Newman for Purdue. Type of kid Notre Dame, Purdue gets on the regular. Maybe Archie will win with guys like that. We targeted better players. Are we seeing a recruiting shift by the staff already? Or is 2020 just an odd cycle? From everything I heard in Fort Wayne, if the Romeo experiment went well we would have got Brooks. That was the measuring stick in the Brooks recruitment. Been told this by friends for Brooks. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app I’m not surprised. Romeo never looked like an NBA player. The Brooks family doesn’t know if that’s the system or Romeo. They chose the safe pick for their goals. Now still think there was a better choice than Kentucky but of the two it was the right call Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Morton is 50ish. But he is being recruited by everyone. We don’t lead. Also not a day 1Difference maker. Leal? Eh, I guess. Not awfully impressed. Galloway? Less impressed. Love? I don’t know what our connection is to him. Lots of volume shooter, overrated reactions. 2020 is an odd class.Look at 2019. Thought we had a chance with Hurt, Watford, Stewart, Brooks, TJD and some guys like that. TJD is a huge get. We got 1. Franklin seems solid. On par with Newman for Purdue. Type of kid Notre Dame, Purdue gets on the regular. Maybe Archie will win with guys like that. We targeted better players. Are we seeing a recruiting shift by the staff already? Or is 2020 just an odd cycle? From everything I heard in Fort Wayne, if the Romeo experiment went well we would have got Brooks. That was the measuring stick in the Brooks recruitment. Been told this by friends for Brooks. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appI have no doubt what went on this season changed brooka mind. In november he sounded like a lock but the longer he waited the worse our chances got. Romeo waiting helped us. Opposite with brooks.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
coonhounds Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Morton is 50ish. But he is being recruited by everyone. We don’t lead. Also not a day 1Difference maker. Leal? Eh, I guess. Not awfully impressed. Galloway? Less impressed. Love? I don’t know what our connection is to him. Lots of volume shooter, overrated reactions. 2020 is an odd class.Look at 2019. Thought we had a chance with Hurt, Watford, Stewart, Brooks, TJD and some guys like that. TJD is a huge get. We got 1. Franklin seems solid. On par with Newman for Purdue. Type of kid Notre Dame, Purdue gets on the regular. Maybe Archie will win with guys like that. We targeted better players. Are we seeing a recruiting shift by the staff already? Or is 2020 just an odd cycle? From everything I heard in Fort Wayne, if the Romeo experiment went well we would have got Brooks. That was the measuring stick in the Brooks recruitment. Been told this by friends for Brooks. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appImo romeo was the worst possible 5 star kid for our iu team this year. He couldn't shoot threes and neither could anyone else. His only real weapon was driving and making a tough shot. He wasn't a one man wrecking crew and his personality was sleeping man. Nothing against him and his great skill just a bad fit imoSent from my SM-G960U using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave, Hollywood Mike Miranda and pumpfake 3 Quote
Alford Bailey Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Archie HAS to bring in two immediate impact guys for next year. That is on top of Hunter coming back. Our bench is weak with mostly a couple role players at best. If it doesnt happen and we hang around .500 next year its essentially over. Honestly IF weve lost recruiting momentum right now then its essentially over and just a matter of time. Pressure is on right now. Bailey7878 1 Quote
RaceToTheTop Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Bailey7878 said: I think somebody else had said he schedule was not very difficult. Different shooting wide open three in hs vs the big ten big with a hand in your face. Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Sagarin rated their schedule this season as the 79th toughest out of the 101 teams in 4A. I think in the regular season Damezi's senior they only played one ranked team and they were a 3A school. I teach in NWI and talked to another scorekeeper about Anderson and Phinnissee when they were seniors as his team had played both schools. He said you really couldn't tell how good Anderson was because of the amount of talent he had around him but that RP carried his team. FWIW, Phinnissee's team went 7-15 without him this year while Riley -- which lost three D1 players -- went 19-5. Class of '66 Old Fart 1 Quote
BigJoe Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 10:36 PM, AKHoosier said: I really dislike being pessimistic, but I can't help but feel like a downer when I think of next year. I honestly don't see much improvement unless we land some more recruits or impact grad transfers. My gun-to-the-head prediction for next year's starting lineup is: Phinisee Green Smith/Durham TJD Davis That starting lineup will be good enough for maybe 5th in the B1G. Good..very good prediction..with off season progress maybe better Quote
RaceToTheTop Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I get ahead of myself some times, but I'm not close to thinking about 2020 recruits yet. Walking Boot of Doom and RatpigHoosier 2 Quote
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