MSU....Heat on Izzo?

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these coaches have no shame, they believe they are above reproach.

[Magnanimous]

1. Michigan State is beyond an embarrassment at this point. They're abhorrent. 

2. Izzo needs to be gone. He should have stepped down/been removed back when this first broke, but it’s an established pattern at this point. Even if the farthest-wing conspiracy theorist thinks he had no knowledge/took the appropriate steps, this kind of stuff does not just keep happening at the same program. They need a change.

3. Judging by a lot of their fans coming to the defense of the MSU program yet again, this should be another reminder of keeping perspective when it comes to self-identity and your favorite teams. Whether its MSU, Penn State, UNC, Louisville, or just about any other program, every fan base dealing with accusations "knows the facts" and the rest of the country simply reads the headlines. Everything is a witch hunt from some biased media that only favors UNC and Alabama, who are both “untouchable” by the NCAA (despite major punishments levied at both schools within the last two decades). As much as I would like to think IU fans would be able to keep their priorities straight if something major were to ever happen at our school, the sample sizes across the country point to blind defense as the norm, especially if it happened under an established coach.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

1. Michigan State is beyond an embarrassment at this point. They're abhorrent. 
2. Izzo needs to be gone. He should have stepped down/been removed back when this first broke, but it’s an established pattern at this point. Even if the farthest-wing conspiracy theorist thinks he had no knowledge/took the appropriate steps, this kind of stuff does not just keep happening at the same program. They need a change.
3. Judging by a lot of their fans coming to the defense of the MSU program yet again, this should be another reminder of keeping perspective when it comes to self-identity and your favorite teams. Whether its MSU, Penn State, UNC, Louisville, or just about any other program, every fan base dealing with accusations "knows the facts" and the rest of the country simply reads the headlines. Everything is a witch hunt from some biased media that only favors UNC and Alabama, who are both “untouchable” by the NCAA (despite major punishments levied at both schools within the last two decades). As much as I would like to think IU fans would be able to keep their priorities straight if something major were to ever happen at our school, the sample sizes across the country point to blind defense as the norm, especially if it happened under an established coach.

Didn't we kind of have that with Bob Knight. Many people, including me for awhile, defended his actions even after the video came out.

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[Bailey7878]

I really can't see how Izzo keeps his job after all this, although I'm sure they'll push back on the woman, and try to dismiss her claim...disgusting.

Izzo is not going anywhere. They will protect him until the cows come home

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[Bailey7878]

Didn't we kind of have that with Bob Knight. Many people, including me for awhile, defended his actions even after the video came out.

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I didn't but knight would have been fired a decade before if he wasn't winning just like izzo now. He is winning and they won't fire him. He would have to retire.


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[HoosierSadaseci]

6 hours ago, Bailey7878 said:

Izzo is not going anywhere. They will protect him until the cows come home

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Doubt it, the university has taken hits a lot lately, I would think they would make a move.

[OliviaPope40]

In learning Title IX in school I never knew that there was this side of the law and it is a whole different ball game. It was also reported that Larry Nassar's former boss was arrested recently.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 hour ago, HoosierSadaseci said:

Doubt it, the university has taken hits a lot lately, I would think they would make a move.

Agree.  Damage control needs to start kicking in and stonewalling isn't the answer.

[Jam]

I bet Izzo announces a one game suspension for Adrian Payne

 

 

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[Chris007]

I was told this weekend that they are concerned in East Lansing because the state's attorney general is practically living there collecting information about the athletic department.  

[Lebowski]

24 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I was told this weekend that they are concerned in East Lansing because the state's attorney general is practically living there collecting information about the athletic department.  

Who's 'they'?  

[Brass Cannon]

32 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I was told this weekend that they are concerned in East Lansing because the state's attorney general is practically living there collecting information about the athletic department.  

If you have political aspirations taking down izzo would be a great start 

[Chris007]

10 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Who's 'they'?  

Atheltic department staff and staffs from FB and BB teams. 

[Lebowski]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Atheltic department staff and staffs from FB and BB teams. 

Thanks for sharing.  Honestly, I don't have any sympathy for the staff.  At some point 'they' have to look in the mirror and look into the eyes of the person looking back at them.  

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Lebowski said:

Thanks for sharing.  Honestly, I don't have any sympathy for the staff.  At some point 'they' have to look in the mirror and look into the eyes of the person looking back at them.  

Totally agree. Izzo has a daughter, how could he not do anything to those players. But the person telling me this is good friends with Izzo and he still swears it's all ESPN fault for reporting everything. They are delusional up there

[Lebowski]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Totally agree. Izzo has a daughter, how could he not do anything to those players. But the person telling me this is good friends with Izzo and he still swears it's all ESPN fault for reporting everything. They are delusional up there

What's worse is that Izzo's a small piece to the puzzle of this apparent massive epidemic in East Lansing.  

[LamarCheeks]

I read the Detroit Free Press story last night and boy, is it disturbing. There needs to be some massive housecleaning at MSU, in my opinion. When the alleged victim went to report the incident to the MSU Counseling Center, they were very helpful -- until they learned she claimed to be raped by basketball players. Then, things really turned. It was made clear to her "that if she chose to notify the police, she faced an uphill battle that would create anxiety and unwanted media attention and publicity as had happened with many other female students who were sexually assaulted by well-known athletes.” That's despicable. ... Tom Izzo has claimed all along he wants to be part of the healing process. At this point, I think him stepping down would be a big first step in that process. If the woman was coerced and became too afraid to report the alleged crime, where did that intimidation come from? If not Izzo, it had to come from someone within the athletic or basketball program. 

On a sidebar related to IU, I still think how Steve Alford handled the Pierre Pierce issue might have cost him the IU job. Unless Fred Glass was creating a smokescreen, in his news conference announcing the firing of Creen, his checklist on hiring a new coach sure seemed like a beckoning to Alford to come on home. But I think there was such a backlash about his conduct, I think Glass decided to go in another direction. I could be wrong, but I think that was a big part of it. 

[Dalton26]

58 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

What's worse is that Izzo's a small piece to the puzzle of this apparent massive epidemic in East Lansing.  

^This. If they fire Izzo then they have to completely clean house from top to bottom.

[coonhounds]

Didn't we kind of have that with Bob Knight. Many people, including me for awhile, defended his actions even after the video came out.

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First off there is no comparison in these two situations. I still defend knight in that situation. I see nothing wrong with putting a kid in his place. Times changed and his tactics were determined to be unacceptable but i think society is proving that maybe we should be putting kids in their places a bit more than we are. Just my opinion

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[Brass Cannon]

Kinda ironic that today a bunch of Penn State players choose to try and downplay the paterno situation.