DE' RON DAVIS INJURY UPDATES

[Brass Cannon 24,801]

1 minute ago, lillurk said:

I’m sure some of you read Zach Lowe, who’s such a good hoops writer I recommend him even if you don’t follow much NBA. Well, I thought this passage from his column today was inadvertently relevant to De’ron’s situation:

“[Demarcus] Cousins didn't suffer a regular injury. He suffered perhaps the most devastating injury that can befall a basketball player. As Kevin Pelton has written often, the recovery track record is discouraging -- if a little scattershot. The sample size of players as large as Cousins who have come back to full strength from an Achilles rupture is practically nonexistent. Cousins' conditioning has sometimes been an issue, and it cannot be for any player rallying from this injury.”

Pelton says at the link that the average player returning from such an injury loses 8% of his value at the NBA level. Maybe st the college level the dropoff is less significant, as competition is lesser and younger players presumably recover better, but I’d been cautiously optimistic about Davis returning to form and this throws cold water on the likelihood of that. 

For what it’s worth, Cousins is listed by the Pelicans at 6’11” 270, and IU lists Davis at 6’10” 249. So the concerns about this injury recovery being more difficult for big players is as true for Davis as for Cousins.

Yeah one reason why I think Davis is no longer our starter. 

[Stuhoo 80,780]

Yeah; the odds of DeRon Davis contributing to this year‘s team are extremely slim.


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[lillurk 3,745]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Yeah; the odds of DeRon Davis contributing to this year‘s team are extremely slim.


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The stated recovery timetable would have him on track to be cleared to play by September, but I would guess this means:

1. Plenty of Morgan/Smith frontlines without a true center

2. Plenty of frontcourt minutes available for Moore/Thompson/Forrester, especially at the five in larger lineups

3. Increased chance IU takes a grad transfer/reclass big

4. Maybe the most likely role for Davis is to anchor bench units for 10-15 minutes a night, much like his freshman year.

[Blackmon_for_3 1,533]

He can be a valuable rotation guy down the line with restricted minutes. Maybe a medical redshirt for this year. I wonder if it had been bothering him? It seemed like as the season went along he wasn’t moving near as well.

[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yeah one reason why I think Davis is no longer our starter. 

I think he probably wouldn't have been even if he didn't get hurt tbh. His defense was just too bad. He doesn't fit Archie's system. 

[JHoosier914 1,187]

Does anyone see the possibility of him transferring if he won’t be able to contribute at the level we need him? Maybe to free up another scholarship for 2019? Not saying I want this, just curious to his possibilities

 

 

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[yogisballin 2,335]

Good Memory:

With two seconds remaining in regulation time, Skelton, who finished with 22 points, had hit an off-balance 3-pointer to put Ohio State ahead, 71-70. Indiana then threw the ball the length of the court. But Ohio State's Derek Anderson was called for running over a pick set by Chris Reynolds.

That was the fifth foul on Anderson, who had 20 points.

Reynolds went to the line with two seconds on the clock and hit the first free throw to tie the score, but he missed the second.

The game was the second in a row for Indiana without forward Allan Henderson, who is out indefinitely with an injured right knee.

Ohio State hit its final six shots from the field in regulation, while Indiana missed its last seven.

Seems like our # 1 team riding a 13 game win streak played the last 5 mins of that game like our recent teams have.

I was at the time like 10. Remember very well going to my room and crying after that game lol


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[Stuhoo 80,780]

Here's your dose of DeRon Davis reality, Hoosier Nation. Remember; the start of next season will be about ten months after his injury. The end of next season will be about 14 months post-injury.

 

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US National Library of MedicineNational Institutes of Health

Professional Athletes' Return to Play and Performance After Operative Repair of an Achilles Tendon Rupture.

BACKGROUND:

Most Achilles tendon ruptures are sports related. However, few studies have examined and compared the effect of surgical repair for complete ruptures on return to play (RTP), play time, and performance across multiple sports.

PURPOSE:

To examine RTP and performance among professional athletes after Achilles tendon repair and compare pre- versus postoperative functional outcomes of professional athletes from different major leagues in the United States.

STUDY DESIGN:

Cohort study; Level of evidence, 3.

METHODS:

National Basketball Association (NBA), National Football League (NFL), Major League Baseball (MLB), and National Hockey League (NHL) athletes who sustained a primary complete Achilles tendon rupture treated surgically between 1989 and 2013 were identified via public injury reports and press releases. Demographic information and performance-related statistics were recorded for 2 seasons before and after surgery and compared with matched controls. Statistical analyses were used to assess differences in recorded metrics.

RESULTS:

Of 86 athletes screened, 62 met inclusion criteria including 25 NBA, 32 NFL, and 5 MLB players. 30.6% of professional athletes with an isolated Achilles tendon rupture treated surgically were unable to return to play. Among athletes who successfully returned to play, game participation averaged 75.4% ( P < .001) and 81.9% ( P = .002) of the total games played the season before injury at 1 and 2 years post-operatively, respectively. Play time was significantly decreased and athletes performed significantly worse compared with preoperative levels at 1 and 2 years after injury ( P < .001). When players were compared with matched controls, an Achilles tendon rupture resulted in fewer games played ( P < .001), decreased play time ( P = .025), and worse performance statistics ( P < .001) at 1 year but not 2 years post-operatively ( P > .05). When individual sports were compared, NBA players were most significantly affected, experiencing significant decreases in games played, play time, and performance.

CONCLUSION:

An Achilles tendon rupture is a devastating injury that prevents RTP for 30.6% of professional players. Athletes who do return play in fewer games, have less play time, and perform at a lower level than their preinjury status. However, these functional deficits are seen only at 1 year after surgery compared with matched controls, such that players who return to play can expect to perform at a level commensurate with uninjured controls 2 years postoperatively.

[JustWinWoody 3,385]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

However, these functional deficits are seen only at 1 year after surgery compared with matched controls, such that players who return to play can expect to perform at a level commensurate with uninjured controls 2 years postoperatively.

Sounds like a medical red shirt would be the best option.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,744]

I know we're all hoping for a complete recovery but I think collectively the board is way too optimistic.  We see players bounce back from knee surgeries and in some cases multiple knee surgeries and don't fully grasp the severity of an Achilles injury.  Stu's post is pretty sobering.  I agree with Arch, a medical red shirt is the best course of action.  I'd hate to have him burn up a year of eligibility for what would likely be very limited playing time.

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

I was just wondering if any good news has been heard, since Chris didn't think we would use the final scholarship, if not I guess the coaches are assuming Juwan comes back and are happy with the post play we had last year. That or Forrester is more ready then I thought


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[VO5 8,272]

I think at this point we have to assume Moore will be getting minutes at the 5. Let’s hope he’s up to the task and been working his butt off in the offseason.

[Brass Cannon 24,801]

6 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I think at this point we have to assume Moore will be getting minutes at the 5. Let’s hope he’s up to the task and been working his butt off in the offseason.

I'm thinking Race myself 

[VO5 8,272]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I'm thinking Race myself 

I can see Race getting some time there as well. My hope is that Moore can develop enough and get used to the speed of the game. You can’t teach his size or wingspan.

[Hardwood83 4,773]

12 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I think at this point we have to assume Moore will be getting minutes at the 5. Let’s hope he’s up to the task and been working his butt off in the offseason.

Yep and I think that lowers the ceiling on the team- Romeo or not. Hard for me to imagine a B1G champ with a post rotation of Moore, Jake & Race. Sure Juwan can play center, but again, IMO that isn't ideal. 

Maybe I'm being too negative, but am still hoping for a solid Grad Transfer Big. 

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

Yep and I think that lowers the ceiling on the team- Romeo or not. Hard for me to imagine a B1G champ with a post rotation of Moore, Jake & Race. Sure Juwan can play center, but again, IMO that isn't ideal. 
Maybe I'm being too negative, but am still hoping for a solid Grad Transfer Big. 

Yeah I have no confidence in Moore or Forrester contributing next year, forgot about Race and I think he'll help but again it's just throwing another 6'8 body down there. I do think we can win with that just need someone to want to put rebound everyone.


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[Travis Scott 248]

While it'd be nice to have a true 5 down there for certain match-ups, I feel the game has evolved enough where it's not nearly as much of a necessity.  I kind of like the idea of a bunch of athletic 6'8" guys running all over the place and keeping the lanes open. Archie's defense allows for this style as well.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

7 minutes ago, Travis Scott said:

While it'd be nice to have a true 5 down there for certain match-ups, I feel the game has evolved enough where it's not nearly as much of a necessity.  I kind of like the idea of a bunch of athletic 6'8" guys running all over the place and keeping the lanes open. Archie's defense allows for this style as well.

I believe this is where Archie is heading with his recruiting.  We don't need a 6-10+, 250+ to compete.  We need versatility in the front court with shot blockers and solid defenders at the 4 and/or 5.  Forrester is the type of player we didn't have on the roster last season.  If Moore develops that will be another versatile forward.  Race adding muscle should allow him to defend most college bigs. 

I hope Davis returns and can contribute this season or next.  It doesn't hurt having options coming off the bench.

[mdn82 25,510]

I believe this is where Archie is heading with his recruiting.  We don't need a 6-10+, 250+ to compete.  We need versatility in the front court with shot blockers and solid defenders at the 4 and/or 5.  Forrester is the type of player we didn't have on the roster last season.  If Moore develops that will be another versatile forward.  Race adding muscle should allow him to defend most college bigs. 
I hope Davis returns and can contribute this season or next.  It doesn't hurt having options coming off the bench.

Yep. I am a fan of the 6’9” or 6’10” that isn’t your old school plodding center. Give me two of those guys that can shoot and play defense on a pick and roll. I would be ecstatic.


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[BGleas 7,903]

55 minutes ago, Travis Scott said:

While it'd be nice to have a true 5 down there for certain match-ups, I feel the game has evolved enough where it's not nearly as much of a necessity.  I kind of like the idea of a bunch of athletic 6'8" guys running all over the place and keeping the lanes open. Archie's defense allows for this style as well.

Completely agree. This idea of a "true 5" is almost non-existent anymore. Defensively everyone on the court has to be able to switch, hedge/recover and defend the perimeter, and everyone offensively has to be able to handle, shoot, etc. Look at Villanova, their big (Spellman) shot like 43% from 3. Wagner with Michigan shot 38ish%. Look at the NBA, you have guys like Embiid and Anthony Davis roaming around the perimeter. Al Horford essentially plays point-center for the Celtics. 

Big's in today's game need to be long, athletic, and skilled. A big, plodding center like Davis just isn't going to be able to play Archie's defense and offensively is going to jam up the paint for guys like Morgan, Langford (hopefully), Smith and Green.