mdn82 Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Now define "consultant." I get your point and it'd be nice, but the NCAA has a very small investigative staff and it would be darn near impossible to find the affiliations of someone who is not on a shoe company's official employee payroll. Besides, "runners and bagmen" frequently meet with cousins, friends, and distant hangers on of players away from any scrutiny. That's why the FBI's case was relatively successful; they were able to make law enforcement approved calls which proved intent. The NCAA has very little ability to do that. To me a consultant is working on behalf of or with a working interest. They have been able to largely define booster and I don’t see why they couldn’t define someone working on behalf of a shoe company. But your last part goes back to an interesting point about the calls. No they are not able to trace phones, but why when a coach is already using a school provided phone where they have to track contacting recruits can they not track whom they are in contact with on that phone? Obviously they would start using their wife’s phone, etc. But in those events they would be explicitly endangering whomever’s phone by actually committing crimes. Sure there would be some that take that chance, but you can’t plan for everything. Why not try and control what you can?Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
HoosierAloha Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Why can’t programs just play within the rules..?There’s too much ******* money and the NCAA is the biggest ******* paper tiger piece of corrupt ****ups outside of FIFA and the IOC. They don’t want to catch these cheating ****s. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners ALASKA HOOSIER 1 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 It’s all serves the NCAAs best interests to turn a blind eye. They make huge money. The amateurism has been a joke for a LONG time for major programs. EVERYONE near a program or following closely can spot it a mile away. System is broken and it needs reworked. But first we need to punish the cheaters. The fact that Indiana punished itself in these times despite what other programs have been doing has had me on fire for years. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Deserthoozier 1 Quote
mdn82 Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Why can’t programs just play within the rules..? There’s too much ******* money and the NCAA is the biggest ******* paper tiger piece of corrupt ****ups outside of FIFA and the IOC. They don’t want to catch these cheating ****s. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Oh I wouldn’t expect them to. It’s every coaches job to look for any advantage possible. It’s the NCAA’s job to continually improve and adjust the rules with the times. There really isn’t a ton of money outside of March Madness the NCAA gets from basketball. That tv deal alone was just over $10 billion. In Sports Illustrated in a recent article it said 80% of the revenue for the NCAA as an organization comes from March Madness. No matter who is playing that tournament has always provided viewership. When Duke played Butler it had a tv rating of 34% higher than UNC vs MSU the year before. So while I get the NCAA does make a lot of money, I would argue their actual revenue (March Madness) they would prefer fresh teams every year. Even surprising teams. That’s good business for them. I think oversight is an issue. A complex issue that the schools don’t want in the hands of the NCAA. They are the ones reaping the benefits more so I feel on an individual level. Kansas cares Kansas is getting hammered. The NCAA really doesn’t. They are better for the product, but if they miss a tournament or two nobody in the NCAA will skip a beat. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Brass Cannon Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, mdn82 said: Oh I wouldn’t expect them to. It’s every coaches job to look for any advantage possible. It’s the NCAA’s job to continually improve and adjust the rules with the times. There really isn’t a ton of money outside of March Madness the NCAA gets from basketball. That tv deal alone was just over $10 billion. In Sports Illustrated in a recent article it said 80% of the revenue for the NCAA as an organization comes from March Madness. No matter who is playing that tournament has always provided viewership. When Duke played Butler it had a tv rating of 34% higher than UNC vs MSU the year before. So while I get the NCAA does make a lot of money, I would argue their actual revenue (March Madness) they would prefer fresh teams every year. Even surprising teams. That’s good business for them. I think oversight is an issue. A complex issue that the schools don’t want in the hands of the NCAA. They are the ones reaping the benefits more so I feel on an individual level. Kansas cares Kansas is getting hammered. The NCAA really doesn’t. They are better for the product, but if they miss a tournament or two nobody in the NCAA will skip a beat. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Will agree with this with the small caveat that they don’t want teams with huge fan bases to miss multiple years in a row like we have. They would want to lose a team with a huge fan base for some small commuter school out in Wyoming with a total fan base the size of IUs student base. Which is one reason I think they are going to let kids start using their own likeness. Big media markets Will also be able to compete with big fan bases. A star at a smaller school in a big media market can make a lot of money. This will allow large traditional teams with big fan bases as well as schools in big media markets to be successful. All about the $$$ mdn82 1 Quote
mdn82 Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Will agree with this with the small caveat that they don’t want teams with huge fan bases to miss multiple years in a row like we have. They would want to lose a team with a huge fan base for some small commuter school out in Wyoming with a total fan base the size of IUs student base. Which is one reason I think they are going to let kids start using their own likeness. Big media markets Will also be able to compete with big fan bases. A star at a smaller school in a big media market can make a lot of money. This will allow large traditional teams with big fan bases as well as schools in big media markets to be successful. All about the $$$Agreed. And I don’t want people to think I am suggesting paying players will go away. It won’t. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 I stopped reading Gregg Doyel and the Indianapolis Star some time ago but the headline on this article caught my eye and I took a look. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2020/05/11/ncaa-investigates-louisville-while-rick-pitino-coaches-iona/3109122001/ Quote
Brass Cannon Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, mdn82 said: Agreed. And I don’t want people to think I am suggesting paying players will go away. It won’t. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app It’s just making it legal. Instead of paying a guy under the table a booster would just pay them that much to make a public appearance or do a commercial. They are doing this so they don’t ever have a scandal and have to act like they want to punish a Kansas or Louisville ever again. Frankly if I owned Yogis I’d create a meal called the 5 star special. With half the revenue from that meal going into a fund to hire 5 stars to do a yearly appearance at Yogis. Which is then something 5 star recruits would know they are going to get if they commit Deserthoozier and mdn82 2 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 I stopped reading Gregg Doyel and the Indianapolis Star some time ago but the headline on this article caught my eye and I took a look. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2020/05/11/ncaa-investigates-louisville-while-rick-pitino-coaches-iona/3109122001/Yes, Doyel, nobody at those schools knew they were cheating. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app MikeRoberts, Deserthoozier and mdn82 3 Quote
Brass Cannon Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Man I remember when the IndyStar sports section was a must read for me. Now I won’t even go into incognito mode to read something on that site RaceToTheTop, Deserthoozier, mdn82 and 1 other 3 1 Quote
ElectricBoogaloo Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said: It’s just making it legal. Instead of paying a guy under the table a booster would just pay them that much to make a public appearance or do a commercial. They are doing this so they don’t ever have a scandal and have to act like they want to punish a Kansas or Louisville ever again. Frankly if I owned Yogis I’d create a meal called the 5 star special. With half the revenue from that meal going into a fund to hire 5 stars to do a yearly appearance at Yogis. Which is then something 5 star recruits would know they are going to get if they commit Think bigger. I want to see Lander doing an Eli Lilly commercial and telling me that side effects include irritable bowels. Hollywood Mike Miranda, Deserthoozier, mdn82 and 1 other 2 2 Quote
AKHoosier Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Brass Cannon said: Man I remember when the IndyStar sports section was a must read for me. Now I won’t even go into incognito mode to read something on that site Sadly, the Indy Star is trash nowadays. I used to really like that paper. RatpigHoosier and Class of '66 Old Fart 2 Quote
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 Florida judge denies a stay to Zion Williamson and will allow discovery to proceed against him in FL on whether he received improper economic benefits to attend Duke. Expect an immediate appeal to the Third DCA, via a petition for writ of certiorari. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29255403 WayneFleekHoosier, HoosierDYT, mamasa and 3 others 6 Quote
Gahoosierfan Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 It looks like Duke and KU are both starting to sweat. Maybe the NCAA will actually punish them this time. Quote
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 New plaintiff filings in the Zion Williamson lawsuit and a small extract from the 247 article. Ford's attorneys also pointed out evidence of Williamson's parents residing in a North Carolina-based property during his career at Duke with monthly rent valued at $4,995. The property reportedly belonged to a Duke alum, named Thomas Morris. There's mention of three "luxury cars" registered to Williamson's parents as well https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/Zion-Williamson-lawsuit-Duke-Blue-Devils-basketball-new-evidence-alleges-cars-housing-Nike-Adidas-NCAA-violation-148039455/?fbclid=IwAR3UOAJLkJ7toWCnrDk3C00v3uN8YNO_cKR2eCQW54GC5dvxK1bLyFscipk pumpfake, schoosier, Gahoosierfan and 1 other 4 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 It looks like Duke and KU are both starting to sweat. Maybe the NCAA will actually punish them this time. Hopefully if Dook goes down they take pUKe with themSent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Napleshoosier, Hardwood83, Class of '66 Old Fart and 1 other 4 Quote
woodenshoemanHoosierfan Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk ALASKA HOOSIER, Stuhoo and Hutch89 3 Quote
Brass Cannon Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 LSU claimed they would fire coaches if they got level 1 violations IIRC Quote
RaceToTheTop Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 On 5/10/2020 at 4:44 PM, MikeRoberts said: The problem the NCAA now faces is that they have turned their head for so long and let some of these schools become so corrupt that others jumped on board and now there aren’t just a few, there are a bunch and proof of this cheating on many of them is coming out all at once. If they had to reprimand one or two, no big deal, but now there are at least 8 that I can think of that there is solid proof of cheating and it will be hard to slap them all with punishment Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app It's kind of like the steroid scandal in baseball. The NCAA benefited by having certain blue blood schools continue to stay on top by cheating, much like MLB benefited by having the home run races. The ripple effect is that in order to stay competitive, many schools that otherwise would not have done so (just like many players that would not have done so in the steroid scandal) felt that had to in order to compete. Honestly, screw 'em. IMO, there are more important things in life than winning some games if you can't do it on the up and up. Jerry Sloan was once asked if he would ever have Dennis Rodman on his team given all of the headaches he caused.....Sloan was an ultra-competitive coach, but even he had his limits. His reply was that "I guess some things are more important to me than winning." Str8Hoosiers, hoosierbgh, Hardwood83 and 1 other 4 Quote
RaceToTheTop Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 All I have to say is that if paying college players becomes legal, I'd better get my damn EA Sports 2K NCAA football and basketball back. BGleas, thebigweave, ElectricBoogaloo and 2 others 5 Quote
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