Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Josh]

Should've kept your 'signature' signature. ;)

Yeah, I think some of these cats think I'm a Crean fan lol!

[323SGrant]

43 minutes ago, VO5 said:

No prob. The guy running draftexpress (Jonathan Givony) really does his homework.

I also prefer Draft Express.

[Hoosier Guy]

Oversigning needs to burn in a pit of fire. All it does is alienate players, coaches and recruits

[bigrod]

Yeah, I think some of these cats think I'm a Crean fan lol!

I was just trying to be funny. Seemed like everything was taken too seriously. Most of the time I'm just joking around and trying to have fun on here. This site is my escape from the serious world out there.


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[JSHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Oversigning needs to burn in a pit of fire. All it does is alienate players, coaches and recruits

I would dance a jig the B1G banned oversigning.  Won't happen, but I wish it would.

[bigrod]

Absolutely. Crean and IU were clear what he had to do and gave him every bit of help during his probationary period. Crean wanted him to be a part of that class more than most of the movement. To insinuate he ran him off is asinine.


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Okay, in your eyes that was asinine. Summer classes were done and fall semester was starting and we still had too many players. Tell me, where was the scholarship coming from if someone wasn't ran off?


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I would dance a jig the B1G banned oversigning.  Won't happen, but I wish it would.

Players would just get creaned sooner 

[Hoosier Guy]

6 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I would dance a jig the B1G banned oversigning.  Won't happen, but I wish it would.

Yeah it's just the B1G that has it if I'm not mistaken. It's a terrible rule

[mdn82]

Okay, in your eyes that was asinine. Summer classes were done and fall semester was starting and we still had too many players. Tell me, where was the scholarship coming from if someone wasn't ran off?


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A player was coming off of scholarship and paying for it themselves.


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[recker222000]

Not what I would call a credible source on Facebook. Just a huge IU fan like us that follows them very closely. He acted like it was a done deal and thanked the big guy for his time here. I was just wondering if anybody else was seeing this anywhere because I am not seeing it anywhere.


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Donovan to iu was was a done deal per multiple internet sources. Mist sources are worthless.

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[mdn82]

Donovan to iu was was a done deal per multiple internet sources. Mist sources are worthless.

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Not really. Just when you start listening to people on a message board. The media that was saying Alford was like recruiting analysts. One person goes with it and people follow. The whole coaching search Bozich, Osterman, and reporters that follow IU on a daily basis were calling out all of the silly rumors.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Final NLI signing date for 2017-2018 season is May 17th.

 

Final day to withdrawal your name from the NBA Draft is May 24th.

 

Therefore, oversigning is a necessary part of college basketball recruiting. Really not much discussion needed. Hope CAM can avoid it as much as possible, but it's not going anywhere, in my opinion.

 

As for stockpiling scholarships, it makes sense to withhold one or two instead of signing a class of 5+ kids, but I'd rather invest a scholarship in a four year player who is comfortable learning and playing major minutes as an upperclassmen than withhold it to avoid oversigning.

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Final NLI signing date for 2017-2018 season is May 17th.

 

Final day to withdrawal your name from the NBA Draft is May 24th.

 

Therefore, oversigning is a necessary part of college basketball recruiting. Really not much discussion needed. Hope CAM can avoid it as much as possible, but it's not going anywhere, in my opinion.

 

As for stockpiling scholarships, it makes sense to withhold one or two instead of signing a class of 5+ kids, but I'd rather invest a scholarship in a four year player who is comfortable learning and playing major minutes as an upperclassmen than withhold it to avoid oversigning.

 

 

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100 % agree

 

 

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

I just don't see Moore being the sixth man even if TB stays in the draft.

2018-2019 year not next year. That was also based off not knowing a single 18 recruit.

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[waitingon6]

Couldn't agree more. The NBA and NCAA need to get this mess fixed. Makes it almost impossible for college coaches to manage rosters. There's a reason BS and BD decided to stay coaching in the league.
As many have said, let them go straight from high school, or commit for at least 2 years!

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[Aaron]

For what It's worth (and it's worth a lot more than the nameless poster on Facebook) the Assembly Call guys say they have been hearing Bryant could be signing with an agent. It's at the 20 minute mark of the video below and than again more about it at the 1 hour mark. I thought when Archie was pushing so hard for Moore that maybe there was at least a decent chance Bryant was gone. Again nothing final but this appears to be a case of whatever was posted on Facebook was at least partially correct as these guys will only put nuggets like that in the show if they think they are saying something credible.  

 

[pumpfake]

11 hours ago, waitingon6 said:

Couldn't agree more. The NBA and NCAA need to get this mess fixed. Makes it almost impossible for college coaches to manage rosters. There's a reason BS and BD decided to stay coaching in the league.
As many have said, let them go straight from high school, or commit for at least 2 years!

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100% agree.  With the NCAA acting as the best feeder league for any professional sport, you'd think the NBA would be much more cooperative and coordinating.  It's one of many reasons I have little respect for the NBA.

[bigrod]

11 hours ago, waitingon6 said:

Couldn't agree more. The NBA and NCAA need to get this mess fixed. Makes it almost impossible for college coaches to manage rosters. There's a reason BS and BD decided to stay coaching in the league.
As many have said, let them go straight from high school, or commit for at least 2 years!

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I totally agree, but I think it's pretty tough from a legal standpoint to force a kid to stay in school. I mean, they have to keep their grades up, etc.

The NBA should let them go straight from HS though. I mean, several players, including Kobe and Lebron have done that. The only thing a year does is allow the NCAA to make money off of them for a year. Makes one wonder if its all the NBA, or if they have an agreement with the NCAA.

[Aaron]

7 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I totally agree, but I think it's pretty tough from a legal standpoint to force a kid to stay in school. I mean, they have to keep their grades up, etc.

The NBA should let them go straight from HS though. I mean, several players, including Kobe and Lebron have done that. The only thing a year does is allow the NCAA to make money off of them for a year. Makes one wonder if its all the NBA, or if they have an agreement with the NCAA.

I am all in favor of the Baseball rule of either going straight out of school or going to college for 2 or 3 yrs.

Also the NBA as a business has a legal right to set whatever requirements they want to for players to be employed by their league. My job requires at least a college degree to be eligible for the position I hold. My point is the NBA is on perfectly firm ground as an employer to set whatever standards they want to make people eligible for a job with them.

[ap2345]

2 hours ago, bigrod said:

I totally agree, but I think it's pretty tough from a legal standpoint to force a kid to stay in school. I mean, they have to keep their grades up, etc.

The NBA should let them go straight from HS though. I mean, several players, including Kobe and Lebron have done that. The only thing a year does is allow the NCAA to make money off of them for a year. Makes one wonder if its all the NBA, or if they have an agreement with the NCAA.

It's not so much that they have to stay in school but are 3 years removed from high school. In football you can't go to the NFL until you are 3 years removed and in baseball if you aren't drafted or don't sign out of high school then you have to be 3 years removed from high school before you can be drafted again. I think basketball could implement a rule similar to baseball that could be very beneficial. So I would say the best case would be if a kid is guaranteed to go in the 1st. round they should be allowed to be drafted out of high school. If not then they should be 3 years removed from high school before they can be drafted. The reason I said 3 years instead of 2 was so that basketball would have the same requirements as baseball and football.