TOM CREAN FIRED

[Uspshoosier]

9 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

I highly doubt that!! Altman has had a couple really good shot blockers lately. Boucher & Bell have been solid. Regardless if his defense is okay to probably above average for me he has done a lot with not that much talent. He has developed the guys he has to the names they hold. Watching Oregon as much as I have I can tell you his team plays to the whistle and they play with heart. I would take Altman but he isn't my top option but to act like he is an okay coach is crazy. Oregon was never a basketball school and he has made them a name for quite awhile now.

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Oregon won the first national championship in basketball history.  But I get what you are saying 

[JSHoosier]

16 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

I highly doubt that!! Altman has had a couple really good shot blockers lately. Boucher & Bell have been solid. Regardless if his defense is okay to probably above average for me he has done a lot with not that much talent. He has developed the guys he has to the names they hold. Watching Oregon as much as I have I can tell you his team plays to the whistle and they play with heart. I would take Altman but he isn't my top option but to act like he is an okay coach is crazy. Oregon was never a basketball school and he has made them a name for quite awhile now.

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I've posted his defensive ratings since he's been at Oregon, far from good.  His average AdjD is mid-80s at Oregon.

[Uspshoosier]

I've posted his defensive ratings since he's been at Oregon, far from good.  His average AdjD is mid-80s at Oregon.

If you want to win a title you better be top 20 in defensive and offensive efficiency.


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[IUHAHN81]

We're all getting excited throwing around names of replacements and we'll end up getting smacked in the damn mouth by him not going anywhere.  Haha

[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

If you want to win a title you better be top 20 in defensive and offensive efficiency.


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I'm aware.  I would've gone back further than just his Oregon tenure but I was at work at the time.

[JSHoosier]

Just now, IUHAHN82 said:

We're all getting excited throwing around names of replacements and we'll end up getting smacked in the damn mouth by him not going anywhere.  Haha

Look at it this way, if he doesn't go anywhere then we know Glass is part of the problem.

[IUHAHN81]

We need a coach that gets pissed when it isn't going right.  Demand what he wants or take a seat.  Not always so positive which leads to no player learning a lesson.  There is always a place for encouragement but there is also a place for "if u don't wanna play MY way, have a seat."  Kids gotta know who's boss.

[Hurryin'Hoosier317]

I think that Crean is a great recruiter. But what it boils down to is the fact that he isn't an Xs and Os guy. Down the stretch time and time again he gets out coached. It's time for a change.


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[8bucks]

I think that Crean is a great recruiter. But what it boils down to is the fact that he isn't an Xs and Os guy. Down the stretch time and time again he gets out coached. It's time for a change.


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After the rebuild his recruiting has been good but not great considering he is at Indiana. Unbalanced classes and unbalanced rosters have really hurt his teams.

Considering he is at Indiana has he recruited better than his peers (Duke, UNC, Louisville, MSU, etc...)?

Can he ID some diamonds in the rough? Sure but a lot of times we end up with just the rough.

If you want to say he is great at finding diamonds in the rough I would argue less, but a great recruiter he is not.

[Hurryin'Hoosier317]

After the rebuild his recruiting has been good but not great considering he is at Indiana. Unbalanced classes and unbalanced rosters have really hurt his teams.

Considering he is at Indiana has he recruited better than his peers (Duke, UNC, Louisville, MSU, etc...)?

Can he ID some diamonds in the rough? Sure but a lot of times we end up with just the rough.

If you want to say he is great at finding diamonds in the rough I would argue less, but a great recruiter he is not.

I actually agree with you. I should of said is a decent recruiter. As of late we haven't recruited well at all.


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[Uspshoosier]

After the rebuild his recruiting has been good but not great considering he is at Indiana. Unbalanced classes and unbalanced rosters have really hurt his teams.

 

Considering he is at Indiana has he recruited better than his peers (Duke, UNC, Louisville, MSU, etc...)?

 

Can he ID some diamonds in the rough? Sure but a lot of times we end up with just the rough.

 

If you want to say he is great at finding diamonds in the rough I would argue less, but a great recruiter he is not.

Actually yes he has recruited better then Michigan st if you go by the team rankings

 

 

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[Feathery]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Actually yes he has recruited better the. Michigan st if you go by the team rankings


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He has recruited on par with conference. The conference os bad right now and we are tenth in that bad conference. Nationally we arent close to the caliber and depth of a Championship contender. 

[8bucks]

Actually yes he has recruited better then Michigan st if you go by the team rankings

 

 

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Yeah you may be right with MSU but izzo does not have to be a great recruiter to win.

[Uspshoosier]

He has recruited on par with conference. The conference os bad right now and we are tenth in that bad conference. Nationally we arent close to the caliber and depth of a Championship contender. 

Never said we were. Someone asked a question and mentioned Michigan st I just pointed out iu has been recruiting on Michigan st level by the rankings.


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[Uspshoosier]

Yeah you may be right with MSU but izzo does not have to be a great recruiter to win.

Of course he doesn't but that wasn't the argument. That just goes to show you rankings isn't everything you need to be solid in all aspects of a program to win big ( recruiting, coaching, player development, strength and conditioning)


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[8bucks]

Of course he doesn't but that wasn't the argument. That just goes to show you rankings isn't everything you need to be solid in all aspects of a program to win big ( recruiting, coaching, player development, strength and conditioning)


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I actually never really mentioned rankings in my comment. I suggested that TC was not a great recruiter and pointed to unbalanced classes and rosters and the diamonds in the rough stuff only.

Izzo is successful because he knows what he wants and recruits it. Creans rankings may be on par with MSU but Crean seems to struggle more with how to build a team out of that talent.

Tom Crean is not a great recruiter.

[Uspshoosier]

I actually never really mentioned rankings in my comment. I suggested that TC was not a great recruiter and pointed to unbalanced classes and rosters and the diamonds in the rough stuff only.

Izzo is successful because he knows what he wants and recruits it. Creans rankings may be on par with MSU but Crean seems to struggle more with how to build a team out of that talent.

Tom Crean is not a great recruiter.

agree on izzo. For us fans he doesn't seem to be a great recruiter anymore but within the industry it is viewed as one of his strengths


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[Brass Cannon]

18 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

agree on izzo. For us fans he doesn't seem to be a great recruiter anymore but within the industry it is viewed as one of his strengths


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To be fair it is one of his strengths. He's not that good at it. He's really bad at the other stuff is all

[cthomas]

I just think that if you gave the players we have had the past few years to a coach who can define roles we would have had much greater success. Not everyone on the floor should have the green light to shoot at the first opportunity. The whole "play faster" and "positionless" basketball experiment needs to go. Most of the time our offense / defense resembles something I could watch at most city parks on a summer day.

[pumpfake]

IMO, there are 3 areas a new coach needs to be evaluated on (aside from obviously running a clean program):

1. Teaches fundamentally sound, team basketball.  Smart decisions and solid defense can help overcome #2 & #3 to an extent.

2. Accomplished recruiter.  Is able to identify talent and needs.  Assemble a complete team.  A great recruiter (blue chip city) can overcome #1 & #3 to an extent, but we must get a fair share of highly rated and in-state players.

3. A demonstrated record of winning.  Past performance is no guarantee of future success, but is the closest gauge I can think of.

Ideally we can find someone that excels at all 3.  I would want to avoid any coach that fails at any of the 3.  For the record, on a scale of 1-10, I would rank Coach Crean as a 4, 6, 6 for a total of 16.  We need a new coach that scores into the 20's.

 

As for CTC as a recruiter, I think he's shown that he's good at identifying talent.  Unfortunately, for whatever reason, he's failing more and more at signing those players.