TheWatShot Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Baltimore Hoosier said: The problem is, I think alot of fans think you bring a new coach in, and we are in the National Championship. There are still some folks who think this is 1987. The last thing this program needs is to bring in a new coach, there are some struggles, then we are calling for the guy's head. I'm not willing to sacrifice the progress that has been made since Sampson. This is bullsh*t and the type of fear-mongering that turns a first-rate program into a second-rate program. There are always going to be people who aren't wild about what the coach does, or think he's not getting the most out of his team. After 9 years of Crean, I think you'd be surprised how much more relaxed the fanbase would be for the next couple years if we landed a good coach. Now, if we're seeing lingering problems in his fourth or fifth season? Different story. But again…we'll never know if we just stay the course. If you want to walk on water, you have to get out of the boat. VO5, MikeRoberts, GloryDays and 3 others 6 Quote
southsidehoosier Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 IU currently 120th in adjD according to KenPom🤢Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app MikeRoberts, ALASKA HOOSIER and HoosierAloha 3 Quote
JSHoosier Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Baltimore Hoosier said: As long as people are willing to accept some growing pains and the potential that there may be some rebuilding and it may take a few years to get to where this team needs to be, I'm all for it. The problem is, I think alot of fans think you bring a new coach in, and we are in the National Championship. There are still some folks who think this is 1987. The last thing this program needs is to bring in a new coach, there are some struggles, then we are calling for the guy's head. I'm not willing to sacrifice the progress that has been made since Sampson. It's not just this season. He's been here nearly a decade and the same problems have plagued every team, problems that, according to Marquette fans when he was hired, plagued his teams at Marquette as well. That means he's been coaching for nearly 20 years and his teams routinely have the exactly same issues and lose for the exact same reasons, that is 100% on his coaching. It's not about struggles in one season, it's a totality. It's the culmination of nearly a decade here (and almost 2 in total) of little to no improvement on the problems that always cause his team to lose. It's looking at his history and realizing these 'struggles' are closer to the norm then the exception. We know what he is, and he really hasn't improved at all. What he is and what he's shown in almost 10 years, unless you lower the bar which should absolutely unequivocally never be done under normal circumstances, is not good enough and is not what he's paid to do. ALASKA HOOSIER and MikeRoberts 2 Quote
Hoosierfan2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Crean's paid like a top-10 coach but over the past 9 years he hasn't created a top-10 program. Not even close. Time to move on. Napleshoosier, MikeRoberts, ALASKA HOOSIER and 1 other 4 Quote
recker222000 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Crean's paid like a top-10 coach but over the past 9 years he hasn't created a top-10 program. Not even close. Time to move on. Could not agree more. He pay is absurd for what he has done.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk MikeRoberts and Hoosierfan2017 2 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 My expectations for the week? We need to go 1-1. 0-2 will even further quell my enthusiasm for Coach and team. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners recker222000 1 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Also Kansas has been ranked in top 25 since 2009. We can't even stay on top 25 with one of Creans most talented teams Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Alford Bailey, MikeRoberts, Hoosierfan2017 and 2 others 5 Quote
biteoftheapple Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I have seen some on this board call Self's program dirty, or tarnished if you please. Are we ready for that? Quote
HoosierAloha Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Also Kansas has been ranked in top 25 since 2009. We can't even stay on top 25 with one of Creans most talented teams Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners"But, but we're young and there's no leaders on this team and we don't have a point guard and our post presence needs to showcase his perimeter game." "Wait, I'm responsible for those things? Give me $4 mil a year and an even larger buyout and I promise I'll get it done. It's Indiana, it's Indiana"He needs to go back to a mid major. What university is close to Cedar Point? I'm sure the older generation of roller coaster enthusiasts would enjoy the ride where the highs aren't too high and the lows not too low. thebigweave, Str8Hoosiers, Hoosierfan2017 and 2 others 5 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I have seen some on this board call Self's program dirty, or tarnished if you please. Are we ready for that?Not personally, there's been plenty of shade on KU in the recent past. Not anything like UNC, Syracuse, UL, puke, or Dook level stuff but enough not to want any part of that. biteoftheapple and HooHooHoo22 2 Quote
VO5 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 19 hours ago, HoosierRob said: I'm on the fire him wagon aswell. But.. If he is fired it's going to be bad pub imo. Winning the big last year and losing Hartman, og, and juwan for some games will be brought up, you can believe that. The talking heads seem to like crean and I just see it looking bad for IU if we do indeed let him go. Who cares. I think IU will be MUCH better off getting rid of a mediocre coach and starting fresh. The media can say what they want to say, in the end it will benefit us and that's all that matters ALASKA HOOSIER, recker222000 and 8bucks 3 Quote
Feathery Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, biteoftheapple said: I have seen some on this board call Self's program dirty, or tarnished if you please. Are we ready for that? You think Tom Crean is an angel? He hired a person to open the Indy Elite pipeline. Against the rules? No. But neither is hiring Mario Chalmers dad. You dont think IU plays the shoe game like everyone else? Sure they do. Anyone who reruits at a decent level of success has a layer of dirt on them. Hell, look at Creans mentor and the Dawson recruitment and how they got him away from Purdue. You dont think Crean learned any tricks from izzo? Alford Bailey 1 Quote
HooHooHoo22 Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Not personally, there's been plenty of shade on KU in the recent past. Not anything like UNC, Syracuse, UL, puke, or Dook level stuff but enough not to want any part of that. With our luck Self will do the same exact thing he's doing at Kansas "if he is doing anything wrong" and He'll get caught at IU and we'll receive the death penalty lolSent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app hsrtxp 1 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 With our luck Self will do the same exact thing he's doing at Kansas "if he is doing anything wrong" and He'll get caught at IU and we'll receive the death penalty lolSent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appLol and yup. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners hsrtxp 1 Quote
Popular Post VO5 Posted January 24, 2017 Popular Post Posted January 24, 2017 I'll probably get blasted for this, but I'm tired of this "too good to play the game" stuff some of our fans are about. If you wanna be squeaky clean and mediocre at the same time, be my guest. I'll take playing the game, just like all the other top programs do, if that's what it takes to get IU back to the top. This holier than thou attitude about our program really bugs me when we aren't even nationally relevant half the time. "But we graduate players and do it the right way" give me a break. College basketball is a business, we need to treat it like one to succeed. ALASKA HOOSIER, ziggyiu, HooHooHoo22 and 6 others 9 Quote
Feathery Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said: With our luck Self will do the same exact thing he's doing at Kansas "if he is doing anything wrong" and He'll get caught at IU and we'll receive the death penalty lol Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app The NCAA didnt hammer IU for Sampson. IU hammered IU for Sampson. Sampson also killed IU by recruiting kids who didnt go to class and were into drugs. The NCAA actually does very little to major programs that dont flat out pay players with cash in fedex boxes. HooHooHoo22, Hoosierfan2017, MikeRoberts and 2 others 5 Quote
Alford Bailey Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 36 minutes ago, Feathery said: You think Tom Crean is an angel? He hired a person to open the Indy Elite pipeline. Against the rules? No. But neither is hiring Mario Chalmers dad. You dont think IU plays the shoe game like everyone else? Sure they do. Anyone who reruits at a decent level of success has a layer of dirt on them. Hell, look at Creans mentor and the Dawson recruitment and how they got him away from Purdue. You dont think Crean learned any tricks from izzo? Crean plays the game. He just doesnt do it well. Feathery and ziggyiu 2 Quote
JSHoosier Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 37 minutes ago, Feathery said: You think Tom Crean is an angel? He hired a person to open the Indy Elite pipeline. Against the rules? No. But neither is hiring Mario Chalmers dad. You dont think IU plays the shoe game like everyone else? Sure they do. Anyone who reruits at a decent level of success has a layer of dirt on them. Hell, look at Creans mentor and the Dawson recruitment and how they got him away from Purdue. You dont think Crean learned any tricks from izzo? Crean also visited Gary Harris during a non-contact period. I call bull on him not knowing when the contact period ended. Do I care that he committed a secondary violation, not really, but let's be real that it was intentional. Not even Crean is 'clean', no one is. ziggyiu, Alford Bailey and Feathery 3 Quote
recker222000 Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 My expectations for the week? We need to go 1-1. 0-2 will even further quell my enthusiasm for Coach and team. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersWe wont lose at Michigan. They are not very good.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk ALASKA HOOSIER 1 Quote
recker222000 Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 "But, but we're young and there's no leaders on this team and we don't have a point guard and our post presence needs to showcase his perimeter game." "Wait, I'm responsible for those things? Give me $4 mil a year and an even larger buyout and I promise I'll get it done. It's Indiana, it's Indiana"He needs to go back to a mid major. What university is close to Cedar Point? I'm sure the older generation of roller coaster enthusiasts would enjoy the ride where the highs aren't too high and the lows not too low. You dont know the hand he was dealt. We are so young and have been so young for 9 years. Give the guy a break its a snow rebuild.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
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