TOM CREAN FIRED

[Aaron 4,265]

I have an HT subscription and the article stated nothing new. Just that the players back Crean as you would expect. Nothing earth shattering.

[brandct 610]

2 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

Until that coach loses then you'll turn them off again?

I'm not a Crean fan. But I'm a Hoosiers fan and I don't see how an IU fan can just not watch or support them because they disagree with the powers that be.

Because his brand of basketball is just not fun to watch unless they are hitting 3s and it's still frustrating with all the TO's and bad D

[coonhounds 8,787]

Until that coach loses then you'll turn them off again?

I'm not a Crean fan. But I'm a Hoosiers fan and I don't see how an IU fan can just not watch or support them because they disagree with the powers that be.

I have known loyal hoosier fans i never would have thought would give up and they are ready to. It is the unwatchable product on the court that nobody recognizes as basketball.

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[Brass Cannon 24,240]

18 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

Well, for anyone who shares this opinion, that's fine but in my opinion, you might rethink tuning back in if/when we're competing for titles.

As a fan, you suffer through the tough times to celebrate the good times. Even if you don't support the current AD or coach, you root for the Hoosiers ...

And if you're not able to, then keep the TV off when we're at the top again (with or without a new coach)

Peoples time is valuable is the administration does not care about winning it is more than acceptable for fans to use their time for other activities. When the administration cares about winning again they will have my support again. 

[Maynard 561]

I have an HT subscription and the article stated nothing new. Just that the players back Crean as you would expect. Nothing earth shattering.

Thanks. The rumors being acknowledged is affirming.

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[cappymo14 2,276]

For me it's not about the desire to watch, though that has waned. It is about the fact that 5 minutes into the games I am so frustrated that continuing to watch is bad for my health and familial relationships. I'd love to be able to watch and cheer regardless of stupid plays and lack of defensive effort. That's just me.

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I'm with this. I'll watch and cheer my butt off regardless of who runs the team. I'm loyal. My loyalty will be rewarded with terrible defense, multiple turnovers and poor basketball IQ. My loyalty has been re-paid by missing the NCAA tournament in 2 of the last 4 years. This is not fair to me, to you, to all the other loyal fans out there. That's why a change needs to be made. Forget Tournament results and overall records right now, the quality of basketball being produced at Indiana University is sub-standard and virtually un-watchable. Do something for me, the guy spending a paycheck on tickets, hotels and merchandise. Make a change so I don't feel like a sucker.


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[Hoosierfan2017 20,877]

6 minutes ago, recker222000 said:

Same with me. I'm done with crean.

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Same. Fred Glass has a chance to prove to all of us how much he really cares about IU being an elite program. If he keeps Crean that shows me that he lied about everything he said. I'm not being a bandwagon fan. I won't be leaving because we're bad. If Crean stays I'll be leaving because we're bad and the people in charge don't care that we're bad. If the guys making 6-7 figures to control IU basketball don't care, there's no reason for me to either. IU basketball will always be special to me, but the days of watching every game and spending any money on the program would be over. 

[mdn82 25,510]

Not to long ago crean missed not and fred and crean denied invite to the smaller tourney cause we are indiana lol

 

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That was the CBI. A new tournament for those not good enough to get into the NIT. You could get in there with a losing record. Basically our cupcakes pool for future schedules play in that tournament.

 

 

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[Cheaney40 854]

Peoples time is valuable is the administration does not care about winning it is more than acceptable for fans to use their time for other activities. When the administration cares about winning again they will have my support again. 

This is the definition of a fair weather fan.

I'll support them when it's acceptable. But when I deem it unacceptable, I'll ignore them or as some here have stated, they'll find another team to watch (Butler for instance).

[Brass Cannon 24,240]

1 minute ago, Cheaney40 said:

This is the definition of a fair weather fan.

I'll support them when it's acceptable. But when I deem it unacceptable, I'll ignore them or as some here have stated, they'll find another team to watch (Butler for instance).

No fair weather fans only care when the team actually is winning. Caring about winning and actually winning are different 

[mdiu28 1,752]

22 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

Well, for anyone who shares this opinion, that's fine but in my opinion, you might rethink tuning back in if/when we're competing for titles.

As a fan, you suffer through the tough times to celebrate the good times. Even if you don't support the current AD or coach, you root for the Hoosiers ...

And if you're not able to, then keep the TV off when we're at the top again (with or without a new coach)

If IU is in position to win a a title, Tom Crean most likely won't be the coach - he's proven he isn't the guy to get us there. 

Simply sitting back and letting the admin hold our program back is not the attitude of a winning basketball program. When they aren't serving the program well, they need to know about it. Without the passion of our fans, we're just another college basketball team. For me, that's the worse thing that could happen and I hate to say it but it's already happening on the national scene (most don't consider us elite).

I respect your decision to keep cheering but maybe you should ask yourself if you have a breaking point? If not, then mediocrity seems to be ok with you.

[JSHoosier 19,826]

17 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Not sure why there is so much optimism with Donovan.. The dude is making $6mil a year and coaching one of the best players in the game. Don't see him regressing back to college unless he's forced. It's a pipe dream to think he ends up at IU in my opinion.

I can only name one poster on this board optimistic about Donovan.  The scenario I laid out was hypothetical, and if I'm being honest me grasping at straws to find a way to get around having an AD that would intentionally kill his most visible program because he is invested in the coach and lied about his expectations.

Who knows, maybe Donovan doesn't think Westbrook will stay in OKC/doesn't have a good feeling of their direction or is tired of the guy taking 40 shots a game.

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

Just now, Cheaney40 said:

Until that coach loses then you'll turn them off again?

I'm not a Crean fan. But I'm a Hoosiers fan and I don't see how an IU fan can just not watch or support them because they disagree with the powers that be.

You're not understanding my stance at all. There are years that we are not going to be as strong. I understand that. I am in coaching and plan on spending the next 40 years of my life doing so, but we are not talking about a random two year lull in performance in the midst of a decade run of consistency. When the same issues are present year after year after year and the powers to be show they don't care why should I? Why invest my time, money, and energy into a product that clearly isn't working at the level they claim it is? I didn't stop watching during the Davis era. I didn't stop watching after we policed ourselves and slogged our way to 28 wins in a three year span. I have been patient with each hire in my lifetime even after we hired a known cheat. The powers to be continue to claim we are an elite program, but their actions say otherwise. If you are trying to sell to me we are elite then show me. We are an expensive program not an elite one. Just go ahead and out right say publicly we are no longer interested in being an elite program and I will adjust my expectations. Until then though I expect a consistent power with the resources we have available in this state. Me deciding not to watch the same ole song and dance does not make me less of a fan than anyone else. I have no other way of having my voice heard. 

[JSHoosier 19,826]

30 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

Well, for anyone who shares this opinion, that's fine but in my opinion, you might rethink tuning back in if/when we're competing for titles.

As a fan, you suffer through the tough times to celebrate the good times. Even if you don't support the current AD or coach, you root for the Hoosiers ...

And if you're not able to, then keep the TV off when we're at the top again (with or without a new coach)

If IU is competing for titles it means they finally started caring and got a good coach.  It's not happening with Crean.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,877]

4 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

This is the definition of a fair weather fan.

I'll support them when it's acceptable. But when I deem it unacceptable, I'll ignore them or as some here have stated, they'll find another team to watch (Butler for instance).

We only get so much free time so we're going to spend it on things that are enjoyable. IU didn't put an enjoyable product on the court this year, so a lot of fans weren't going to watch it. If they're going to turn the ball over 20 times, chuck up 3s and not play defense for two hours then I'm going to find something better to do. 

[maharkn 1,686]

So does the players backing him mean they are all coming back next year?

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[Hoosier Guy 7,518]

It's basically like this guys. If the administration doesn't care about whether the program is elite or not, why should we? We will soon find out how the administration truly feels

[brandct 610]

Also why would you want to raise your kids watching this product? You want your kids to play the game right. You want them to play D, value the ball, take good shots that is not something they would learn watching IU.

[Cheaney40 854]

If IU is in position to win a a title, Tom Crean most likely won't be the coach - he's proven he isn't the guy to get us there. 
Simply sitting back and letting the admin hold our program back is not the attitude of a winning basketball program. When they aren't serving the program well, they need to know about it. Without the passion of our fans, we're just another college basketball team. For me, that's the worse thing that could happen and I hate to say it but it's already happening on the national scene (most don't consider us elite).
I respect your decision to keep cheering but maybe you should ask yourself if you have a breaking point? If not, then mediocrity seems to be ok with you.

Accepting mediocrity isn't the same as rooting for these guys to win.

If I were ok with mediocrity as you suggest, I'd be giving high fives for a "good effort" after a loss. That's ridiculous and doesn't describe me at all.

But not cheering for them seems as bad if not WORSE than accepting mediocrity. And I see a lot of people here cheering for the other team ... Including PURDUE!! (are you freaking kidding me?) ... Because that loss might get Crean fired.

We need to accept that nothing we do will result in his firing ... Unless you're a big time donor, sadly you don't have a voice.

He'll go eventually... Until then, don't cheer AGAINST IU, and don't accept mediocrity... Cheer for the W's. If your health can't take it as someone mentioned, that's one thing. But if you're just annoyed we're not winning, I'm serious, don't bother cheering when we are winning. That's annoying.

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

2 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

 I'm serious, don't bother cheering when we are winning. That's annoying.

Well then I cannot wait to cheer again ;)