TOM CREAN FIRED

[Zach Farmer 106]

4 minutes ago, dcoble9 said:

Is he fired yet?


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I know this has been stated before but this thread feels like the kid saying "are we there yet" over and over again. Nothing will happen until next weekend after BTT flameout.

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

I'm not getting my hopes up like I did last time. I have a feeling Crean gets a pass and sticks around for at least another year depending on what he does next season. Would cost the University a lot less money. And Glass seems like he has no balls.

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

So just read over at 247 we aren't going to be in the 2K tourney next year. Any truth to that?

[Trish 11,566]

So just read over at 247 we aren't going to be in the 2K tourney next year. Any truth to that?

Can confirm via sources (Osterman )


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[Hovadipo 56,170]

So just read over at 247 we aren't going to be in the 2K tourney next year. Any truth to that?

You could've read that here.


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[mdn82 25,510]

I love when people say, "Coach Crean is a good coach but he's not good enough for IU."


What about this guy makes him a good coach? Or even an average one?


Smh. 🤡

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Well player development is a part of that, and I think most without a biased opinion of that would respect some of the players he has got to the NBA at both Marquette and IU. Most coaches that go to his practices are very complimentary. He turned that into around $25 million at IU. He isn't winning at a high enough clip to stay here. That doesn't make him a bad coach. As 41 said, don't hate the player hate the game and move on.


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[Hovadipo 56,170]

I don't think a bad coach could find his way to 2 B1G titles and a few Sweet 16's while sending multiple players to the NBA. The lack of sustained success makes him not IU-worthy, but some schools would kill for that type of success.


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[Hovadipo 56,170]

IUs pedigree allowed him to recruit superior talent. He's a lousy coach.

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Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.


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[Zach Farmer 106]

5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I don't think a bad coach could find his way to 2 B1G titles and a few Sweet 16's while sending multiple players to the NBA. The lack of sustained success makes him not IU-worthy, but some schools would kill for that type of success.


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Mizzou would love that record

[RobPoff 172]

I don't think a bad coach could find his way to 2 B1G titles and a few Sweet 16's while sending multiple players to the NBA. The lack of sustained success makes him not IU-worthy, but some schools would kill for that type of success.


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The problem with that is that if he does go to an average school that accepts his mediocre skills, he won't be able to recruit the McDonalds All Americans. Half (or almost half) of the ones he has recruited have come from the state of Indiana. Once he's not with us anymore, that well dries up and he fades away. The name on the jersey recruited a lot of our big time players, not Crean.



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[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,744]

It sounds like we have a very valid reason for a spike in our optimism that a coaching change is actually going to happen.  Assuming that indeed does happen, I think everyone on btb should sign a pledge that when the new coach is announced that a "Fire ___________" thread will not be started for at least 24 hours.   

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

Depends on the hire lol

[Hovadipo 56,170]

The problem with that is that if he does go to an average school that accepts his mediocre skills, he won't be able to recruit the McDonalds All Americans. Half (or almost half) of the ones he has recruited have come from the state of Indiana. Once he's not with us anymore, that well dries up and he fades away. The name on the jersey recruited a lot of our big time players, not Crean.



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I don't really agree the Indiana name recruited a lot of our big time guys. We've had multiple recruits say "I couldn't really tell you much about their history..." I'm pretty sure Rob even said something like that. Sometimes his personality pushes people away, but it's also been said that he creates some great relationships with guys, De'ron for example. And how much has he really developed his Mcdonalds guys anyway? They came in as great players and didn't really visibly change their games that much. Some of his best players have been unheralded guys.

And I think if he gets out of the B1G and avoids the ACC, he has enough coaching skill to survive in an SEC or Big East or American conference. I get that some people hate Crean, but I feel like that hatred can be blinding and people lose sight of reality. He is a good not great coach, and a good not great recruiter. He's average. Which isn't good enough here, but is in a place that doesn't really care about basketball, which has been said 3 million times on here.


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[hoosierpap 14,300]

11 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,370]

The problem with that is that if he does go to an average school that accepts his mediocre skills, he won't be able to recruit the McDonalds All Americans. Half (or almost half) of the ones he has recruited have come from the state of Indiana. Once he's not with us anymore, that well dries up and he fades away. The name on the jersey recruited a lot of our big time players, not Crean.

 

 

 

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Crean Won big BECAUSE of Zeller, Wade, Vic, and Yogi.

 

2 of those guys are traditional 5 stars the other 2 are Crean specials.

 

As is Devonte Green, Sheehey and many others.

 

Crean has a knack to find the occasional diamond in the rough. He will still be able to do that at a lesser power 5.

 

Problem is if you rely on this type of recruiting you are going to have misses and inconsistencies.

 

Indiana ideally should have a coach that front loads the roster with Yogis and Zellers more frequently.

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,370]

Don't know why so many spaces in my last post. I didn't do that. Lol


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[RobPoff 172]

I don't really agree the Indiana name recruited a lot of our big time guys. We've had multiple recruits say "I couldn't really tell you much about their history..." I'm pretty sure Rob even said something like that. Sometimes his personality pushes people away, but it's also been said that he creates some great relationships with guys, De'ron for example. And how much has he really developed his Mcdonalds guys anyway? They came in as great players and didn't really visibly change their games that much. Some of his best players have been unheralded guys.

And I think if he gets out of the B1G and avoids the ACC, he has enough coaching skill to survive in an SEC or Big East or American conference. I get that some people hate Crean, but I feel like that hatred can be blinding and people lose sight of reality. He is a good not great coach, and a good not great recruiter. He's average. Which isn't good enough here, but is in a place that doesn't really care about basketball, which has been said 3 million times on here.


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I think we are both saying that the sky is blue. I'm saying without the Mcdonalds kids from the state, we would have been average at best because that's his ceiling. Average. The only guys he "developed" was Vic and MAYBE Troy. No one else that wasn't a McD kid has made it to the next level. And let's be honest, Rob Johnson is not playing as well as we all hoped when he came in, so that's not your best example. His flashes of great are far and few between.


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[Hovadipo 56,170]

I think we are both saying that the sky is blue. I'm saying without the Mcdonalds kids from the state, we would have been average at best because that's his ceiling. Average. The only guys he "developed" was Vic and MAYBE Troy. No one else that wasn't a McD kid has made it to the next level. And let's be honest, Rob Johnson is not playing as well as we all hoped when he came in, so that's not your best example. His flashes of great are far and few between.


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If you think that Vic and maybe Troy are the only guys that got better here...then sure. I disagree with that, but that's fine. But you can't just throw away the fact that Rob was a big time recruiting win that said he didn't know much about Indiana's history. I don't care how good he is at present, he was a prized recruit. How many guys that we're in deep with talk about Indiana's great history when being recruited vs. talking about having a great relationship with Crean? I don't have numbers, but I'm willing to bet it's more toward the latter. I really don't think our name means much to a lot of kids, which is a discussion for another thread entirely.

We agree that he's average, and he needed his top talent to win what he won here, but a certain group on here like to constantly harp on him being a bumbling idiot, which is one of the more ignorant stances that could be had on the subject. (Not saying you're doing that, but that's my main point. He isn't as bad as some try to make him out to be.)


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[Jeff_Boy_Ardee 1,311]

I think we are both saying that the sky is blue. I'm saying without the Mcdonalds kids from the state, we would have been average at best because that's his ceiling. Average. The only guys he "developed" was Vic and MAYBE Troy. No one else that wasn't a McD kid has made it to the next level. And let's be honest, Rob Johnson is not playing as well as we all hoped when he came in, so that's not your best example. His flashes of great are far and few between.


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Personal opinion, but I don't agree at all when people say he developed Vic. Look at how many talented players he's had come in and they've never gotten really any better. I think Vic's development was 90% Vic working his ass off in and out of practice and setting a goal for himself and not settling for less. Yes, Being at IU let him shine more so than he would have at a lesser school that he probably would have winded up at, but Vic got better every year, not many others Crean players get better at all it just is what it is.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

12 minutes ago, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

Personal opinion, but I don't agree at all when people say he developed Vic. Look at how many talented players he's had come in and they've never gotten really any better. I think Vic's development was 90% Vic working his ass off in and out of practice and setting a goal for himself and not settling for less. Yes, Being at IU let him shine more so than he would have at a lesser school that he probably would have winded up at, but Vic got better every year, not many others Crean players get better at all it just is what it is.

 

NBA execs and scouts would disagree with your personal opinion.