TOM CREAN FIRED

[WayneFleekHoosier]

This is becoming pathetic for IU.

 

As I've said before, if Glass' mind was made up, Crean would already be fired. Glass has always been hoping Crean could go on a run like last year to save himself.

 

If he thinks a NIT run changes anything, he'll be in for a big surprise.

 

Next year, as I see it, could be an ugly year all around for IUBB.

 

 

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[bigrod]

I think he's got one more deep sweet 16 run in him guys. I mean, not next year, but for sure the year after.


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[HoosierTrav]

There may be 19 jobs but only a few (if any) would be willing to pony up for his $3M price tag that (based on what we've heard out of Missou) he feels he deserves.  I would expect him to try and weather the storm at IU, making Glass fire him and pay the buy out, before taking a job at like George Washington.

His contract doesn't allow him to play that game with Indiana. He would owe the university money.

[Hovadipo]

His contract doesn't allow him to play that game with Indiana. He would owe the university money.

Glass is dumb tho

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Glass is dumb tho

Glass is probably using white out to change the contract so that his little buddy Tom gets all of Indiana's money and replace the 76 season banner with one honoring him when he leaves.


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[RickyIU]

1 hour ago, Fkfootball1 said:

So I just listened to the Hoosier Sports Report down here on 1450. Matt Dennison does a great job on this show. He had Gregg Doyel and Mike Pegram on. Here are some interesting points that were made.


1. Doyel doesn't think Crean deserves to be fired. But he questions why they want to continue this marriage.

2. He also believes that Crean would be fired before the NIT if it were to happen. He believes that Crean does not want to leave.

3. He believes that Crean used Mizzou as leverage for an extension and it backfired.

4. He spoke to Crean and Glass yesterday to inform them that he considers them friends and that he wasn't ridiculing them. He's just doing his job. Crean and Glass both told him that they understand.

5. Mike Pegram said that an NIT run would only win back a portion of the fan base. Fan apathy is high. A lot of fans want a coaching change and deservedly so.


All in all, I believe that change is unlikely. I have decided to just root for them in the NIT because losing tonight isn't going to make 1 bit of difference.

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I've tried to process that #1 in my head multiple times and I can't - It makes absolutely no sense to me. 

He shouldn't be fired, but he doesn't understand why they want to stay in the marriage? What the hell does that even mean? It can't be both.

[Bowhunter]

Look at it this way.. If there's a way that we can win the NIT we can hang another Banner for Crean.

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[bigrod]

I've tried to process that #1 in my head multiple times and I can't - It makes absolutely no sense to me. 
He shouldn't be fired, but he doesn't understand why they want to stay in the marriage? What the hell does that even mean? It can't be both.

I took that to mean he thinks Crean should leave because the mean IU fans don't treat him fairly.


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[HoosierTrav]

Glass is dumb tho

One thing is for certain....his understanding of contract law and ability to negotiate is high level.

I'm reserving judgement, on Glass' ability, until we know for certain that a change is being made or not. He really frustrated me with the extension and now this NIT hosting fiasco, but I don't have a clue what is going on behind closed doors. I don't trust a single "source" and any information they have. I get the feeling that everyone will be left with their jaws on the ground, after we find out the true resolution. Don't think Crean is back. Don't trust the University to make a great hire. Fully expect to hear some name that makes zero sense.

[ALASKA HOOSIER]

concur! /\

[RTJ85]

1 minute ago, ALASKA HOOSIER said:

concur! /\

Shift + 6 = ^

[Hovadipo]

One thing is for certain....his understanding of contract law and ability to negotiate is high level.

I'm reserving judgement, on Glass' ability, until we know for certain that a change is being made or not. He really frustrated me with the extension and now this NIT hosting fiasco, but I don't have a clue what is going on behind closed doors. I don't trust a single "source" and any information they have. I get the feeling that everyone will be left with their jaws on the ground, after we find out the true resolution. Don't think Crean is back. Don't trust the University to make a great hire. Fully expect to hear some name that makes zero sense.

Agree. It's just hard for me to play the bumbling idiot card because some guy on another site has sources that change twice a week. I'll reserve my judgement for a week or two or however long it takes.

Neither Glass nor Crean are stupid though, no matter how fun it is for people to try to act like they are.

[Sknits nad]

30 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

This is becoming pathetic for IU.

 

As I've said before, if Glass' mind was made up, Crean would already be fired. Glass has always been hoping Crean could go on a run like last year to save himself.

 

If he thinks a NIT run changes anything, he'll be in for a big surprise.

 

Next year, as I see it, could be an ugly year all around for IUBB.

 

 

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There is no benefit to firing Crean before the NIT so why would he do it?  Crean has a ton of faults, but he seems to genuinely care for his players.  Let the man finish out the season.  That 4 days affects nothing.  Glass can still negotiate with any option he wants too (all of those options are coaching at the moment too).

Yes it would have made us all feel better, but that probably didn't factor to heavily into the decision.

[HoosierSadaseci]

1 hour ago, Fkfootball1 said:

So I just listened to the Hoosier Sports Report down here on 1450. Matt Dennison does a great job on this show. He had Gregg Doyel and Mike Pegram on. Here are some interesting points that were made.


1. Doyel doesn't think Crean deserves to be fired. But he questions why they want to continue this marriage.

2. He also believes that Crean would be fired before the NIT if it were to happen. He believes that Crean does not want to leave.

3. He believes that Crean used Mizzou as leverage for an extension and it backfired.

4. He spoke to Crean and Glass yesterday to inform them that he considers them friends and that he wasn't ridiculing them. He's just doing his job. Crean and Glass both told him that they understand.

5. Mike Pegram said that an NIT run would only win back a portion of the fan base. Fan apathy is high. A lot of fans want a coaching change and deservedly so.


All in all, I believe that change is unlikely. I have decided to just root for them in the NIT because losing tonight isn't going to make 1 bit of difference.

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Don't give up, don't give in.

[Double Down]

All over the national writers/talking heads is this notion that Indiana fans are these unreasonable rubes who just don't appreciate Tom Crean.

Crean did a fine job and one that we appreciate.  But he's had 9 years to establish that he can take Indiana back to an elite level.  The trend lines are not looking good.  It isn't just the up and down seasons, its that recruiting has taken a nosedive.  The AD has done everything in its power to make sure IU has the facilities, the national exposure and revenue channels for Indiana to compete with the blue blood programs.  The coach hasn't utilized these advantages to take us to the next level. 

Hoosier fans have been INSANELY patient.  They knew it would take time to build back up again.  But somewhere around Camp 3, progress stalled.  There is a lot of distance between where we are and the summit.  And we're gasping for air at this altitude.  

Bare with me here as I digress: I played hoops my entire life and didn't know crap until I went to school at Indiana.  It infuriated me.  I couldn't believe that grown men, who's job it was to teach the game, were so clueless compared to friends that I played with in the Hyper.  I never had more fun in my life running ball at the Hyper.  The basketball IQ of the average Indiana fan probably exceeds that a majority of the people who do it for a living.  This isn't hyperbole either.  And these are the people who are watching the Hoosiers at every step.  They are far more involved than just watching games; they enjoy the process of a team, a program, being built.  Because I love the game, I learned more and more about it from those who taught them.  My basketball education started late, but I couldn't get enough.  I still don't think I'm some swami.  Not at all.  But I do know smart basketball minds and Hoosier enclaves are loaded with them.    

But Midwestern values are at play, too.  Hoosiers are gracious people.  They are patient.  They value closeness and loyalty.  Yet, with their deep Hoops knowledge, their senses tell them that what they are watching clashes mightily with what they know is great basketball.  They call BS when they see it.  Even though they've had a critical eye on some odd on and off the court issues under Crean, most people weren't calling for his job.    

Nine years in, Crean has been given every opportunity to get to an elite level.  The fans have been extraordinarily patient.  This isn't just a blip year where a few things went wrong.  Patterns have been established and the forward trajectory isn't up and to the right.  

Indiana Basketball has now into it's "malaise" phase. National writers are playing the role of Jimmy Carter, telling us that we worship the basketball equivalent of self-indulgence and consumption.  That we're the problem.  We're the ones making ourselves miserable with our unreasonable demands.  If we'd put on and enjoy our Members Only jacket while celebrating our last National Championship, while being thankful that we have 5 years where we are only 2 games over .500 in the B1G.  That this is as good as its gonna get.    

Hoosiers aren't reacting well to this condescension.  And the VAST majority are conducting themselves with class.  They're used the supposed sophisticates talking down to them.  But they don't back down.  They never have, and never will.  Crean isn't just representative of someone they refuse to accept, he's also unfairly the vessel for national writers who want Indiana to accept that the glory days of banners and national competition are far behind them.       

This isn't anything personal to Crean (for most people).  Indiana fans are tired of watching their high school All-Stars throttle their southern neighbors every year.  Then we watch them all migrate to wearing blue and white vs cream and crimson to play college ball.  We not only want those players playing here, we want to be playing that game WHEREVER it can happen EVERY year.  

They're tired of being told by others they can't compete anymore.  Sorry Tom, but you're the man at the top who could have changed this a long time ago.  You aren't some factory worker making middle class wages, who will struggle to put food on the table without a job and health care for you and your family.  You are the highest paid state employee and the 8th highest paid coach in all of college basketball.  The results are in.  We refuse to accept this "malaise."  We know it can and WILL be better. 

[IU402]

Being new I will help add to the count.

I'm assuming crean will be gone. How toxic would it be (next season) if he's not. That's not good for either party.

[Adillac]

5 minutes ago, Double Down said:

All over the national writers/talking heads is this notion that Indiana fans are these unreasonable rubes who just don't appreciate Tom Crean.

Crean did a fine job and one that we appreciate.  But he's had 9 years to establish that he can take Indiana back to an elite level.  The trend lines are not looking good.  It isn't just the up and down seasons, its that recruiting has taken a nosedive.  The AD has done everything in its power to make sure IU has the facilities, the national exposure and revenue channels for Indiana to compete with the blue blood programs.  The coach hasn't utilized these advantages to take us to the next level. 

Hoosier fans have been INSANELY patient.  They knew it would take time to build back up again.  But somewhere around Camp 3, progress stalled.  There is a lot of distance between where we are and the summit.  And we're gasping for air at this altitude.  

Bare with me here as I digress: I played hoops my entire life and didn't know crap until I went to school at Indiana.  It infuriated me.  I couldn't believe that grown men, who's job it was to teach the game, were so clueless compared to friends that I played with in the Hyper.  I never had more fun in my life running ball at the Hyper.  The basketball IQ of the average Indiana fan probably exceeds that a majority of the people who do it for a living.  This isn't hyperbole either.  And these are the people who are watching the Hoosiers at every step.  They are far more involved than just watching games; they enjoy the process of a team, a program, being built.  Because I love the game, I learned more and more about it from those who taught them.  My basketball education started late, but I couldn't get enough.  I still don't think I'm some swami.  Not at all.  But I do know smart basketball minds and Hoosier enclaves are loaded with them.    

But Midwestern values are at play, too.  Hoosiers are gracious people.  They are patient.  They value closeness and loyalty.  Yet, with their deep Hoops knowledge, their senses tell them that what they are watching clashes mightily with what they know is great basketball.  They call BS when they see it.  Even though they've had a critical eye on some odd on and off the court issues under Crean, most people weren't calling for his job.    

Nine years in, Crean has been given every opportunity to get to an elite level.  The fans have been extraordinarily patient.  This isn't just a blip year where a few things went wrong.  Patterns have been established and the forward trajectory isn't up and to the right.  

Indiana Basketball has now into it's "malaise" phase. National writers are playing the role of Jimmy Carter, telling us that we worship the basketball equivalent of self-indulgence and consumption.  That we're the problem.  We're the ones making ourselves miserable with our unreasonable demands.  If we'd put on and enjoy our Members Only jacket while celebrating our last National Championship, while being thankful that we have 5 years where we are only 2 games over .500 in the B1G.  That this is as good as its gonna get.    

Hoosiers aren't reacting well to this condescension.  And the VAST majority are conducting themselves with class.  They're used the supposed sophisticates talking down to them.  But they don't back down.  They never have, and never will.  Crean isn't just representative of someone they refuse to accept, he's also unfairly the vessel for national writers who want Indiana to accept that the glory days of banners and national competition are far behind them.       

This isn't anything personal to Crean (for most people).  Indiana fans are tired of watching their high school All-Stars throttle their southern neighbors every year.  Then we watch them all migrate to wearing blue and white vs cream and crimson to play college ball.  We not only want those players playing here, we want to be playing that game WHEREVER it can happen EVERY year.  

They're tired of being told by others they can't compete anymore.  Sorry Tom, but you're the man at the top who could have changed this a long time ago.  You aren't some factory worker making middle class wages, who will struggle to put food on the table without a job and health care for you and your family.  You are the highest paid state employee and the 8th highest paid coach in all of college basketball.  The results are in.  We refuse to accept this "malaise."  We know it can and WILL be better. 

Great post. Absolutely. 

[Uwe Robb]

2 hours ago, IUrocker said:

Someone spotted Glass at the Indy airport. 

Not sure what exotic Spring Break destination he is headed to in that attire.

 

Let's all hope it's OKC. I here they do it right for Spring Break.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

There is no benefit to firing Crean before the NIT so why would he do it?  Crean has a ton of faults, but he seems to genuinely care for his players.  Let the man finish out the season.  That 4 days affects nothing.  Glass can still negotiate with any option he wants too (all of those options are coaching at the moment too).
Yes it would have made us all feel better, but that probably didn't factor to heavily into the decision.

1.) allow the players to graciously end the season.
2.) allow both parties to officially search and publicly reach out to all interested prospects(time is of the essence-recruiting)
3.) stop the rumor mills and further disgracing that has become a social media circus.




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[P92]

10 minutes ago, Double Down said:

All over the national writers/talking heads is this notion that Indiana fans are these unreasonable rubes who just don't appreciate Tom Crean.

Crean did a fine job and one that we appreciate.  But he's had 9 years to establish that he can take Indiana back to an elite level.  The trend lines are not looking good.  It isn't just the up and down seasons, its that recruiting has taken a nosedive.  The AD has done everything in its power to make sure IU has the facilities, the national exposure and revenue channels for Indiana to compete with the blue blood programs.  The coach hasn't utilized these advantages to take us to the next level. 

Hoosier fans have been INSANELY patient.  They knew it would take time to build back up again.  But somewhere around Camp 3, progress stalled.  There is a lot of distance between where we are and the summit.  And we're gasping for air at this altitude.  

Bare with me here as I digress: I played hoops my entire life and didn't know crap until I went to school at Indiana.  It infuriated me.  I couldn't believe that grown men, who's job it was to teach the game, were so clueless compared to friends that I played with in the Hyper.  I never had more fun in my life running ball at the Hyper.  The basketball IQ of the average Indiana fan probably exceeds that a majority of the people who do it for a living.  This isn't hyperbole either.  And these are the people who are watching the Hoosiers at every step.  They are far more involved than just watching games; they enjoy the process of a team, a program, being built.  Because I love the game, I learned more and more about it from those who taught them.  My basketball education started late, but I couldn't get enough.  I still don't think I'm some swami.  Not at all.  But I do know smart basketball minds and Hoosier enclaves are loaded with them.    

But Midwestern values are at play, too.  Hoosiers are gracious people.  They are patient.  They value closeness and loyalty.  Yet, with their deep Hoops knowledge, their senses tell them that what they are watching clashes mightily with what they know is great basketball.  They call BS when they see it.  Even though they've had a critical eye on some odd on and off the court issues under Crean, most people weren't calling for his job.    

Nine years in, Crean has been given every opportunity to get to an elite level.  The fans have been extraordinarily patient.  This isn't just a blip year where a few things went wrong.  Patterns have been established and the forward trajectory isn't up and to the right.  

Indiana Basketball has now into it's "malaise" phase. National writers are playing the role of Jimmy Carter, telling us that we worship the basketball equivalent of self-indulgence and consumption.  That we're the problem.  We're the ones making ourselves miserable with our unreasonable demands.  If we'd put on and enjoy our Members Only jacket while celebrating our last National Championship, while being thankful that we have 5 years where we are only 2 games over .500 in the B1G.  That this is as good as its gonna get.    

Hoosiers aren't reacting well to this condescension.  And the VAST majority are conducting themselves with class.  They're used the supposed sophisticates talking down to them.  But they don't back down.  They never have, and never will.  Crean isn't just representative of someone they refuse to accept, he's also unfairly the vessel for national writers who want Indiana to accept that the glory days of banners and national competition are far behind them.       

This isn't anything personal to Crean (for most people).  Indiana fans are tired of watching their high school All-Stars throttle their southern neighbors every year.  Then we watch them all migrate to wearing blue and white vs cream and crimson to play college ball.  We not only want those players playing here, we want to be playing that game WHEREVER it can happen EVERY year.  

They're tired of being told by others they can't compete anymore.  Sorry Tom, but you're the man at the top who could have changed this a long time ago.  You aren't some factory worker making middle class wages, who will struggle to put food on the table without a job and health care for you and your family.  You are the highest paid state employee and the 8th highest paid coach in all of college basketball.  The results are in.  We refuse to accept this "malaise."  We know it can and WILL be better. 

Wow.  That's a great post.