TOM CREAN FIRED

[Trish]

I highly doubt Steve leaves UCLA for a mediocre Indiana program right now. He's got top talent coming into UCLA for the next few years, it's LA, it's somewhat of an easy conference these days.

 

Steve would be a lateral move, yes. Along with many other potential hires including Marshall, Smart, other names I can't remember right now. 

 

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

[Not taking a swipe at the post above - seen too much of this generally]

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In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

• Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
• It is the school I will always root for. 
• It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
• I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.

When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 

I'll still be an IU fan, but I'll be an "Oh IU won last night? Sweet" fan instead of a *refreshes btown banners obsessively* fan. My excitement would go out the window with another year of Crean. 

[cthomas]

As increasingly worse coaches' names surface as possible replacements, we are being prepped for CTC's return. The names will get so bad that when Crean is retained we will feel like we dodged a bullet.

[HooHooHoo22]

This thread has taken a crazy turn.. for the worse this morning


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

For some of you who would like to see Alford on our sideline, there are more issues about his character than just how he handled the rape charge at Iowa.  When he left New Mexico there were stories that he routinely tried to stiff local businesses that provided services to he and his family.  Stiff them in the sense he would try to get the business to accept his doing an endorsement for their business in lieu of cash payment and if they declined, he would drag his heels before finally ponying up.  He was a great player for us and is a step above CTC in coaching ability, but character matters to me and because of his character issues, I'll pass.

[VO5]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

[Not solely taking a swipe at the last post of this ilk above - seen too much of this generally]

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In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

• Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
• It is the school I will always root for. 
• It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
• I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.

When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 

I get this, but I'll respectfully disagree. Why should we blindly support an administration that makes bad hire after bad hire? I'll always love my university, but that doesn't mean I should have to stand for mediocrity either just because it's there. At some point, accountability has to happen or nothing ever changes

[hoosierpap]

8 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I highly doubt Steve leaves UCLA for a mediocre Indiana program right now. He's got top talent coming into UCLA for the next few years, it's LA, it's somewhat of an easy conference these days.

 

Steve would be a lateral move, yes. Along with many other potential hires including Marshall, Smart, other names I can't remember right now. 

 

 

 

I don't think that assumption is correct. Not saying your logic isn't sound, just not the case with Alford

[RobPoff]

 

[Not solely taking a swipe at the last post of this ilk above - seen too much of this generally]

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In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

• Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
• It is the school I will always root for. 
• It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
• I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.

When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 

A-freakin-men brother!


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[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

Alford would do better than Crean.

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A lot of people would do better then Crean that doesn't mean we should go out and hire anyone that could do better than a mediocre coach.

[seihoosier]

5 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

For some of you who would like to see Alford on our sideline, there are more issues about his character than just how he handled the rape charge at Iowa.  When he left New Mexico there were stories that he routinely tried to stiff local businesses that provided services to he and his family.  Stiff them in the sense he would try to get the business to accept his doing an endorsement for their business in lieu of cash payment and if they declined, he would drag his heels before finally ponying up.  He was a great player for us and is a step above CTC in coaching ability, but character matters to me and because of his character issues, I'll pass.

Loads of the same stories out of Iowa when he was at the helm there.  Haircuts at the local barber and even about a John Deere tractor being delivered and he thought it should be free because he was Steve Alford.  Great player 30 years ago for IU.  No thanks as a coach.  I'd take Damon Bailey before him.  Humble down to earth guy, plus he's got a budding superstar son at BNL this year.  

[Hovadipo]

No racism...

(That needs to be said? Good lord)


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[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

No racism...

(That needs to be said? Good lord)


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It does not need to be said. Mods on this board handled the matter immediately.   ✔

[Hovadipo]

 

It does not need to be said. Mods on this board handled the matter immediately.   [emoji818]

It was about to be hidden then I refreshed and it was gone. Dad trained us well.


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[mdn82]

Alford would do better than Crean.

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As bad as it is said he is, is that really saying much if even true?


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[HoosierAloha]

 

[Not solely taking a swipe at the last post of this ilk above - seen too much of this generally]

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In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

• Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
• It is the school I will always root for. 
• It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
• I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.

When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 

I disagree with this to an extent. Yes, you can support the players, team, and program without supporting the coach. However, if that program continues to hire questionable coaches that relationship, even by blood, can be fractured.

I stepped away when Samscum was hired. That went against everything IUBB I was raised on. Like a family member, if they committed a crime I would not fully support them just because we were blood relatives.

[dallas44]

I'd actually love alford. Lock down in-state recruiting.


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[Stuhoo]

31 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

The Alford stuff is going the other way around. That's nothing new but obviously being pushed a little harder given what they see at IU

 

Pap and milehiu with the same assessment of Alford having interest.

[JSHoosier]

No thanks on Alford.  That's a lateral move at best, possibly a downgrade.

[Stuhoo]

Just now, RobPoff said:

Can someone please explain to me how Alford would lockdown instate recruiting? I'm baffled every time I see someone say this.


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I think that Ed Schilling would come with him, and that would help alot alot alot.

 

[hsrtxp]

I disagree with this to an extent. Yes, you can support the players, team, and program without supporting the coach. However, if that program continues to hire questionable coaches that relationship, even by blood, can be fractured.

I stepped away when Samscum was hired. That went against everything IUBB I was raised on. Like a family member, if they committed a crime I would not fully support them just because we were blood relatives.

Yeah I think this is fair. I won't step away for ever but it would make me back away. Support family but there's something to be said for tough love. Continue to make bad hires and tough love will be shown. In this case, tough love is all about the dollars and fewer people in the seats. And before anyone says anything, I know butts in seats doesn't make much difference in the big money scheme at least in the short term.


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