TOM CREAN FIRED

[bigrod]

Why wouldn't he? Played great vs Wisconsin twice got less than 15 minutes each game if I remember correctly played great today and got 14 minutes. 

Not only that, but the kid goes in and works his ass off, and our offense doesn't allow feeding the post when he's open. We've got to try to get those high percentage heaves from the 3.


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[pumpfake]

12 minutes ago, BlueDevil2aHoosier said:

A Stevens or Donovan to IU hire IMO would have the rest of the CBB world shitting their pants.


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Yes.  And it definitely would work out, timing wise, better than a current college coach if the buyout situation/timing is a factor.  (The NBA season ends in what, July or August? LOL).

I hate thinking this way, but when it comes to this situation I can' help myself from thinking what would UK do?  They fired Smith for being far more successful than Crean and didn't tolerate Gillespie for long - and I'm sure if they were flirting with undefeated seasons under him they wouldn't have fired him.  Donovan was their wet dream candidate.  IMO, he may be a more logical dream pick than Stevens having actually won it twice and demonstrated high level recruiting prowess.

[Hoosierfan2017]

26 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think we need to be careful with this one and if it was really directed at CTC or not.  If it was, then my regard for Green has dropped for bringing anything out of the locker room, albeit he has reason enough to do so for the public dressing down CTC game him several games back.  And, if it truly is directed at CTC then I think we can presume he's gone if CTC stays on.

Normally I wouldn't want a player saying something like this, but in this situation I have no problem with it if his tweet really was directed at Crean. Crean threw a bunch of kids under the bus to try and save his own skin. I'm cool with kids firing back at him for it. 

[Brass Cannon]

17 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Yes.  And it definitely would work out, timing wise, better than a current college coach if the buyout situation/timing is a factor.  (The NBA season ends in what, July or August? LOL).

I hate thinking this way, but when it comes to this situation I can' help myself from thinking what would UK do?  They fired Smith for being far more successful than Crean and didn't tolerate Gillespie for long - and I'm sure if they were flirting with undefeated seasons under him they wouldn't have fired him.  Donovan was their wet dream candidate.  IMO, he may be a more logical dream pick than Stevens having actually won it twice and demonstrated high level recruiting prowess.

We absolutely don't wait for July. Donovan's season probably isn't going very far past April anyway if he really wants to return to college that's not going to be a hindrance. 

[southsidehoosier]

A Stevens or Donovan to IU hire IMO would have the rest of the CBB world shitting their pants.


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And the IU fan base...but in a good way


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[Toothdr]

Wish he would just resign immediately.


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[AZ Hoosier]

Kravitz is still at it ... saying "Listen up, humans: Crean isn’t going anywhere. Crean shouldn’t be going anywhere."

http://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-as-fans-foolishly-clamor-for-creans-head-hoosiers-season-continues-to-go-sideways

[southsidehoosier]

It's bad when I read the RuppRafters thread on Crean and laugh and agree with them....[emoji852]️


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[Uspshoosier]

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/tom-crean-indiana-basketball-coach-calls-out-players-thomas-bryant-james-blackmon/1plmnmwneh63ezksivdymyxcw


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[reconmkd]

17 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Kravitz is still at it ... saying "Listen up, humans: Crean isn’t going anywhere. Crean shouldn’t be going anywhere."

http://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-as-fans-foolishly-clamor-for-creans-head-hoosiers-season-continues-to-go-sideways

I think he needs to come up for air, the lack of oxygen is clearly affecting his brain. The fan base will obviously support winning, but this rollercoaster from hell that we have been on for the last 9 years has got to come to an end. When Crean's offensive strategy of run and gun works, yes we are all excited, but he has shown that this does not work consistently and the same problems rear their ugly heads. His unwillingness to change offensively, is his downfall. The current team is not able to run and gun, and would likely have more success with a slower tempo, well thought out half court offense strategy. Which is obviously not in the coaches current vocabulary! Consistency is key to winning, a team that consistently plays even decent defense can make up for offensive deficiencies, and this current style of offense, though sometimes exciting to watch, will never be consistent enough to make deep runs in tourneys.

[Hoosierfan2017]

Crean will put Blackmon on blast but won't say a word about Bryant crying like a toddler whenever the mean old refs make a call against him. Inconsistent criticism is a great way to turn your guys against you. "Thomas is really trying to lead the team, and he’s not getting a lot of help." If your 'leader' behaves the way he does on the court then there's your problem. 

[Stuhoo]

 

Mike DeCourcey from The Sporting News on the Crean post-game blame game and it's risks:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/tom-crean-indiana-basketball-coach-calls-out-players-thomas-bryant-james-blackmon/1plmnmwneh63ezksivdymyxcw

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

. "Thomas is really trying to lead the team, and he’s not getting a lot of help." 

The way he acts on the court he's leading a kindergarten class.  Come to think of it that's kind of how we've been playing.

[weaverswonders6]

Kravitz is still at it ... saying "Listen up, humans: Crean isn’t going anywhere. Crean shouldn’t be going anywhere."

http://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-as-fans-foolishly-clamor-for-creans-head-hoosiers-season-continues-to-go-sideways

He used my tweet response to him in his article about the ship taking the captain. I commented on his article as well haha

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[Bowhunter]

I am so done with him!

Everybody knows I've been critical of Crean's Indiana recruiting lately and I truly believe the struggles in this area are because our high school coaches and parents do not like his style. 

Please hire a coach who can teach the value of each possession and defense!

[JSHoosier]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Crean will put Blackmon on blast but won't say a word about Bryant crying like a toddler whenever the mean old refs make a call against him. Inconsistent criticism is a great way to turn your guys against you. "Thomas is really trying to lead the team, and he’s not getting a lot of help." If your 'leader' behaves the way he does on the court then there's your problem. 

Bryant has the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.  There for a while he was better about not crying about absolutely everything, but now he's reverted back to his early season whining.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/tom-crean-indiana-basketball-coach-calls-out-players-thomas-bryant-james-blackmon/1plmnmwneh63ezksivdymyxcw


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TBH Crean is saying plenty that all of this is on him. No one has been cherry picking those quotes though.

Still needs to go, just saying I think people are crucifying him for calling out players and completely deflecting blame.


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[Hovadipo]

Listening to CBS' Eye on College Basketball podcast hosted by Gary Parrish. Crean and his job security came up and Parrish talked about how he knows people who have tried pushing Crean to go to a "soft landing" spot like Pastner did, going from Memphis to Ga Tech. Parrish said that Crean's reply to these people was always absolutely not, he's the Indiana coach, he isn't going anywhere, etc. Things can always change, but that's a perspective from someone in the industry that hasn't been talked about yet. 

Edit: They (Matt Norlander is a co-host) also believe that there is no way Crean gets fired after this season.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Listening to CBS' Eye on College Basketball podcast hosted by Gary Parrish. Crean and his job security came up and Parrish talked about how he knows people who have tried pushing Crean to go to a "soft landing" spot like Pastner did, going from Memphis to Ga Tech. Parrish said that Crean's reply to these people was always absolutely not, he's the Indiana coach, he isn't going anywhere, etc. Things can always change, but that's a perspective from someone in the industry that hasn't been talked about yet. 

Yikes. Gotta be able to recognize when you're in over your head.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Bryant has the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.  There for a while he was better about not crying about absolutely everything, but now he's reverted back to his early season whining.

If I had acted like him during games when I was a little kid I probably would've been grounded before I could fasten my seatbelt for the ride home. If Crean was serious about wanting Bryant to be a leader he would've stopped his antics a long time ago.