TOM CREAN FIRED

[Old Friend]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

We are not in better shape than Kentucky.  They will almost certainly be a better team next year.  Where as we MIGHT be better.  But without the dynamic guard that made us really dangerous our ceiling will probably be lower. 

Long term, I disagree with you.  The house of cards is beginning to crumble down there.   Next year by itself is irrelevant.  As a stable program, we're in better shape than they are.  

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Long term, I disagree with you.  The house of cards is beginning to crumble down there.   Next year by itself is irrelevant.  As a stable program, we're in better shape than they are.  

They have no long term plan.  So you can't really say ours is better than theirs. 

[cjvz20]

My thing is if Jbj doesn't get hurt do we even have this season or would Crean adjusting his coaching to not put all the defensive liabilities on the court at same time. I think the jbj injury saved creans job cuz he was not going to bench him or change his coaching. Just my opinion

[Stuhoo]

We are not in better shape than Kentucky.  They will almost certainly be a better team next year.  Where as we MIGHT be better.  But without the dynamic guard that made us really dangerous our ceiling will probably be lower. 

Nonsense.

Next year IUBB will start as a top 15 team of college basketball players.

Kentucky will start as a top 15 team of basketball players who want to get away from college as quickly as possible.

UK players will play at UK.

IU players will play for Indiana.

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, cjvz20 said:

My thing is if Jbj doesn't get hurt do we even have this season or would Crean adjusting his coaching to not put all the defensive liabilities on the court at same time. I think the jbj injury saved creans job cuz he was not going to bench him or change his coaching. Just my opinion

Agreed his flat out refusal to stop playing guys who are hurting the team is probably my biggest gripe.  I get that Troy showed up for the second half.  But if last year Troy and been taught he had to reign it in to get PT, maybe Bad Troy is gone for this year.  Instead Bad Troy was allowed to exist without consequence. 

[DChoosier]

8 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

It's just tough watching Notre Dame, a football school go to the elite 8 back to back and we can't get there

Small detail but they beat a 7 seed and we played one of the best two teams in the country.  On a neutral court would you rather play WI or UNC? Is that a close call? Remotely close?? In anyway remotely close???

[X-Hoosier]

If we have another year like 13-14 or 14-15 then he needs to be kicked to the curb. End of story.

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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Nonsense.

Next year IUBB will start as a top 15 team of college basketball players.

Kentucky will start as a top 15 team of basketball players who want to get away from college as quickly as possible.

UK players will play at UK.

IU players will play for Indiana.

In the last 6 years that UK style has gotten 4 final fours.  Ours has gotten 0 elite eights.  Im not saying become Kentucky, but something needs to change. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

UK opens around 3-5.

IU likely opens at 10-15 IF Tom and Troy return. Our recruiting class, although solid, doesn't command critical acclaim.

[DChoosier]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Agreed his flat out refusal to stop playing guys who are hurting the team is probably my biggest gripe.  I get that Troy showed up for the second half.  But if last year Troy and been taught he had to reign it in to get PT, maybe Bad Troy is gone for this year.  Instead Bad Troy was allowed to exist without consequence. 

Crean actually, and surprisingly to me, sometimes placed on TW the bench when he got out of control this year.

[seanmm1971]

Argue with each other till the cows come home,but name calling and vulgarity will get you a vacation. This is the only warning.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

If Tom and Troy leave, we open season unranked.

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If Tom and Troy leave, we open season unranked.

Rightfully so

[MikeRoberts]

Small detail but they beat a 7 seed and we played one of the best two teams in the country.  On a neutral court would you rather play WI or UNC? Is that a close call? Remotely close?? In anyway remotely close???

What's your point?

[cjvz20]

If Tom and Troy leave, we open season unranked.

Idk if we will be unranked with jbj og morgon and Rojo and Hartman plus Davis think we are still top 25 worthy but if we are unranked we need to ask why we are.

[Ryno6284]

6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If Tom and Troy leave, we open season unranked.

Not so worried about Troy leaving, it's TB leaving that scares me!

[Uwe Robb]

Speaking of UK, How many people would love for Crean to pull a Coach Cal and make MSB put his name in the draft?

[DChoosier]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

What's your point?

You agreed that it is amazing that a football school like ND got into the Elite 8. My point is that is would have been easier to get into the Elite 8 vs Wiscy rather than one of the two best teams in the country (UNC).

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

You agreed that it is amazing that a football school like ND got into the Elite 8. My point is that is would have been easier to get into the Elite 8 vs Wiscy rather than one of the two best teams in the country (UNC).

Our seeding was our own Fault. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Idk if we will be unranked with jbj og morgon and Rojo and Hartman plus Davis think we are still top 25 worthy but if we are unranked we need to ask why we are.

Yeah, I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong but losing Yogi, Troy, TB is too big to keep us ranked IMO. Nobody is worried about Juwan, Hartman, or Davis. Even OG has a long way to go as a regular contributor. Was/is a great hustle, energy guy with a bit of a do it all style. Converting to a more regular contributor will expose some weaknesses. Love him though.