TOM CREAN FIRED

[mdn82 25,970]

I don't think anyone has ever claimed he's a bad coach, he's not. He has times where he looks good, but on the whole he's not particularly good. He's been better this year, but I couldn't possibly care less about one season and he's shown he can be good for one season here or there just not sustain it.

He's not a coach that's going to lose big, but he's not a coach that's going to win big either.

I actually disagree. He is too boom or bust for me. Perfect example is MSU. That second half though...

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades  :D

And first dates!

[Feathery 4,005]

I actually disagree. He is too boom or bust for me. Perfect example is MSU. That second half though...

I think he was implying he isn't going to have a big enough boom (Banner 6), and his busts aren't going to get him fired. Though if he has any more instances with off the court issues like the last 2 years.....

[mdn82 25,970]

I think he was implying he isn't going to have a big enough boom (Banner 6), and his busts aren't going to get him fired. Though if he has any more instances with off the court issues like the last 2 years.....

Gotcha. Yeah I agree with that!

[Uspshoosier 51,782]

I don't think anyone has ever claimed he's a bad coach, he's not. He has times where he looks good, but on the whole he's not particularly good. He's been better this year, but I couldn't possibly care less about one season and he's shown he can be good for one season here or there just not sustain it.

He's not a coach that's going to lose big, but he's not a coach that's going to win big either.

i agree with a lot in here that doesn't think he is the answer long term but of his 8 years here how many years did you really think he was going to contend for a big 10 title? For me I didn't give us a chance in his first 2 years. I have no problem with anyone that does hold those years against I just personally don't. While I didn't think we would compete for a title in his 3rd year he doesn't get a pass from me because they underachieved terribly that year. The penn st and northwesterns find a way to compete with lesser talent. In competing for a big 10 title would you rather finished tied for 2nd but 6 games back of the champion like in 1998-99 or finish 5th 2 games out of 1st ( with losses to a 4-14 Nebraska team on the road and 6-12 Minnesota team at home and we were 3-6 on the road that year)
You can either look at it as crean has competed for a big 10 title 3 out of 8 years or 3 out of
6 years. It's not always about what place you finish bit how many games out of first your team is. If you want to feel depressed as an iu fan feel free to look it up for the past 20 plus years. Spoiler alert it's not pretty
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-ten/1999.html

[JSHoosier 21,897]

I think he was implying he isn't going to have a big enough boom (Banner 6), and his busts aren't going to get him fired. Though if he has any more instances with off the court issues like the last 2 years.....

That's another way of phrasing it, yes.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Its all a moot point. Time for the CTC March nosedive. Everybody out of steam by the B1G tourney. Hope I'm wrong, but I ain't holding my breath.

[X-Hoosier 529]

I'm not holding my breath. I was done with him after the 13-14 season. He has more than well proven he can't adjust to a roster. We've had multiple disappointing seasons. 10-11, 13-14 and 14-15. The bad outweighs the good. And it isn't close.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 88,216]

I don't think anyone has ever claimed he's a bad coach, he's not.  He has times where he looks good, but on the whole he's not particularly good.  He's been better this year, but I couldn't possibly care less about one season and he's shown he can be good for one season here or there just not sustain it.
 
He's not a coach that's going to lose big, but he's not a coach that's going to win big either.

CTC's coaching and Troy's play have a lot in common in their sometimes head scratching decisions they make during a game. Neither are bad all the time but just often enough to keep most of us on edge until the final buzzer and provide more cannon fodder for this thread.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

So, you see no issue coaching wise with us going from a 19 point lead in total control to clinging to a 2 point lead in the final seconds? I mean if Hammons hand doesn't hit the goal Purdue coulda went for the win.

No I definitely think that's an issue. I do think it was impressive that with our three main bigs with 4 fouls a piece and or two freshman bigs at 3 a piece we held together against arguably one of the best front courts in the B1G/(maybe) country, but more timeouts should have been used, and I wish we had just stuck to our normal offensive aggressiveness instead of running down the clock. In the end though, we played a good game, and won against a team I thought would crush us at the beginning of the year looking at the matchup on paper.

[Uspshoosier 51,782]

No I definitely think that's an issue. I do think it was impressive that with our three main bigs with 4 fouls a piece and or two freshman bigs at 3 a piece we held together against arguably one of the best front courts in the B1G/(maybe) country, but more timeouts should have been used, and I wish we had just stuck to our normal offensive aggressiveness instead of running down the clock. In the end though, we played a good game, and won against a team I thought would crush us at the beginning of the year looking at the matchup on paper.

after watching the game again we just missed shots. A set was run to get yogi a shot at the foul line ( he missed), another offensive set got max a wide open corner 3 (he missed). Yogi missed a running layup on the left side, Troy missed a finger roll at the rim. Only hitting 1 of 2 foul shots 2 straight times.
now the last possession when max tried a layup over Hammons was bad. Sometimes basketball is a simple game. Purdue was hitting and iu didn't. I was more concerned with the defensive breakdowns that started around 10 min to go. The 2 threes Edwards hit at that time were breakdowns by Morgan. The kid played his butt off but had some freshman breakdowns that caused a good shooter to see the ball go through the rim. Also fouling them on 3 and 1's when they had no chance to stop the layup didn't help. This is just my opinion

[Old Friend 8,583]

I don't think anyone has ever claimed he's a bad coach, he's not.  He has times where he looks good, but on the whole he's not particularly good.  He's been better this year, but I couldn't possibly care less about one season and he's shown he can be good for one season here or there just not sustain it.

 

He's not a coach that's going to lose big, but he's not a coach that's going to win big either.

I've made this comment before, and I'll stick with it because I still think it's applicable.  A head coach is responsible for so many things...most people really don't understand the breadth of the job..   It's unreal the things a head coach has to do and be aware of.  If Crean's responsible for 200 things, he's either really good or pretty good at 190 of them.  

 

If Indiana is allowed to play in transition, Indiana is all but unbeatable by any team in the country.  They are that good in that particular phase of the game. But over time, I think the formula to beat Indiana now is the same as it has been for 7 years : take away transition and force them into a half court game.  That has not changed no matter how many games we win.  Purdue allowed transition last night, and we scored in it multiple times.  We hit threes in transition on a routine basis, and that's our best offense.

 

Wisconsin routinely takes that away.  Penn State (of all damned teams) does a good job taking it away from us.  (I've seen that done a couple of ways, one being a team plays so efficiently on the offensive end and position their players in such a way that our guys aren't in position to run, or Butler and Ohio State (a couple of years ago when they beat us here) were terrific at rotating back and getting to preferred spots quicker than we did.)    Michigan always lets us run.  We usually beat Michigan.  Illinois usually lets us run.  We set shooting records against Illinois.  Ohio State this year let us get out and run.  We blew them out of the building.  Etc.

 

Wisconsin in game 2 took transition away, beat us, and we had just 6 assists the whole game.  Seems to happen a lot against Wisconsin, and even our 2012-13 team got beat there, and had just 4 assists in a game.  (Maybe it was the year prior...but it happened)   Penn State did it to us and does it to lots of people at their place - held us to 37% shooting because we didn't get "our shots."  And we got beat.

 

Some teams have our number, and there is a definitive formula for beating Indiana.  So my take is while I think Crean has improved some things and I think he's now earned the right to get away from the "fire Crean" talk for now, I still see a half court offense that will really limit our post season expectations, and I see some things like poor shot selection (why were we chucking three's against Purdue up 10 with 4 minutes left) and at times poor defensive rotation / help that have seemingly been here since Crean's arrival.  The good is getting better.  We're forcing our tempo more than we have the last couple of seasons.   But....the holes in our program have not been addressed, meaning the formula to beat us is very obvious and has been similar for many years.  Which is why I'm not completely on board with him.  I'm a 7.8 out of 10.   

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

Great post^

Firing Tom Crean would appear rather asinine---at this juncture.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

I've made this comment before, and I'll stick with it because I still think it's applicable.  A head coach is responsible for so many things...most people really don't understand the breadth of the job..   It's unreal the things a head coach has to do and be aware of.  If Crean's responsible for 200 things, he's either really good or pretty good at 190 of them.  

 

If Indiana is allowed to play in transition, Indiana is all but unbeatable by any team in the country.  They are that good in that particular phase of the game. But over time, I think the formula to beat Indiana now is the same as it has been for 7 years : take away transition and force them into a half court game.  That has not changed no matter how many games we win.  Purdue allowed transition last night, and we scored in it multiple times.  We hit threes in transition on a routine basis, and that's our best offense.

 

Wisconsin routinely takes that away.  Penn State (of all damned teams) does a good job taking it away from us.  (I've seen that done a couple of ways, one being a team plays so efficiently on the offensive end and position their players in such a way that our guys aren't in position to run, or Butler and Ohio State (a couple of years ago when they beat us here) were terrific at rotating back and getting to preferred spots quicker than we did.)    Michigan always lets us run.  We usually beat Michigan.  Illinois usually lets us run.  We set shooting records against Illinois.  Ohio State this year let us get out and run.  We blew them out of the building.  Etc.

 

Wisconsin in game 2 took transition away, beat us, and we had just 6 assists the whole game.  Seems to happen a lot against Wisconsin, and even our 2012-13 team got beat there, and had just 4 assists in a game.  (Maybe it was the year prior...but it happened)   Penn State did it to us and does it to lots of people at their place - held us to 37% shooting because we didn't get "our shots."  And we got beat.

 

Some teams have our number, and there is a definitive formula for beating Indiana.  So my take is while I think Crean has improved some things and I think he's now earned the right to get away from the "fire Crean" talk for now, I still see a half court offense that will really limit our post season expectations, and I see some things like poor shot selection (why were we chucking three's against Purdue up 10 with 4 minutes left) and at times poor defensive rotation / help that have seemingly been here since Crean's arrival.  The good is getting better.  We're forcing our tempo more than we have the last couple of seasons.   But....the holes in our program have not been addressed, meaning the formula to beat us is very obvious and has been similar for many years.  Which is why I'm not completely on board with him.  I'm a 7.8 out of 10.   

Smart man.

[HoosierTrav 8,178]

Looks like we were picked to finish 2nd by most. Image from InsidetheHall.com

I love how everyone picked Maryland... Frauds.

[HoosierTrav 8,178]

I've made this comment before, and I'll stick with it because I still think it's applicable. A head coach is responsible for so many things...most people really don't understand the breadth of the job.. It's unreal the things a head coach has to do and be aware of. If Crean's responsible for 200 things, he's either really good or pretty good at 190 of them.

If Indiana is allowed to play in transition, Indiana is all but unbeatable by any team in the country. They are that good in that particular phase of the game. But over time, I think the formula to beat Indiana now is the same as it has been for 7 years : take away transition and force them into a half court game. That has not changed no matter how many games we win. Purdue allowed transition last night, and we scored in it multiple times. We hit threes in transition on a routine basis, and that's our best offense.

Wisconsin routinely takes that away. Penn State (of all damned teams) does a good job taking it away from us. (I've seen that done a couple of ways, one being a team plays so efficiently on the offensive end and position their players in such a way that our guys aren't in position to run, or Butler and Ohio State (a couple of years ago when they beat us here) were terrific at rotating back and getting to preferred spots quicker than we did.) Michigan always lets us run. We usually beat Michigan. Illinois usually lets us run. We set shooting records against Illinois. Ohio State this year let us get out and run. We blew them out of the building. Etc.

Wisconsin in game 2 took transition away, beat us, and we had just 6 assists the whole game. Seems to happen a lot against Wisconsin, and even our 2012-13 team got beat there, and had just 4 assists in a game. (Maybe it was the year prior...but it happened) Penn State did it to us and does it to lots of people at their place - held us to 37% shooting because we didn't get "our shots." And we got beat.

Some teams have our number, and there is a definitive formula for beating Indiana. So my take is while I think Crean has improved some things and I think he's now earned the right to get away from the "fire Crean" talk for now, I still see a half court offense that will really limit our post season expectations, and I see some things like poor shot selection (why were we chucking three's against Purdue up 10 with 4 minutes left) and at times poor defensive rotation / help that have seemingly been here since Crean's arrival. The good is getting better. We're forcing our tempo more than we have the last couple of seasons. But....the holes in our program have not been addressed, meaning the formula to beat us is very obvious and has been similar for many years. Which is why I'm not completely on board with him. I'm a 7.8 out of 10.

Really good post old man.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Gotcha. Yeah I agree with that!

mdn82... PM me. I'm apparently not allowed to use it.

[Old Friend 8,583]

Really good post old man.

Old "friend."  I am not that old!!

[Trish 13,230]

Dan D said coach Crean may win coach of the year.

He may be right. I will say this, I'd say this is his best year of coaching and adjustments that I've seen from him. Even when we were number 1, I didn't see all that much of greatness from him.

Still want him gone, but things appear interesting. Need to see some road wins vs actual basketball teams.

[TheWatShot 15,076]

Don't the Big Ten coaches vote on coach of the year? Crean didn't get it either year we had Zeller. In 2012, Izzo won it because his team shared the title. In 2013, Bo won it because his team "exceeded expectations." Crean isn't a very popular guy in this league; just ask Matta, Miles or Painter. If Wisconsin finishes in the top 5, Gard will probably win it.