TOM CREAN FIRED

[323SGrant]

Interesting stuff here. To me CTC did not have many of these problems (that's an assumption because I'm not an insider like pap) with the core group of CZ, VO and CWAT, yet looked clueless against a Cuse zone that he had seen many times at Marquette correct? The kids should certainly be held accountable also. However, as an adult, especially one that is highly paid for this job, I would hope CTC could do better. As mentioned Calipari sure handles those egos at UK well. I've been disappointed in CTC's body of work for his 8 yr. tenure at IU, not just this year, but I really appreciate the insider info. from Pap. and I hope that CTC could turn this around with a trip to the Final Four, but I'd be shocked if that happened. I sure hate to lose that good 2017 talent in IN to other schools!

[NRT137]

Why are we writing the initials and not full names of players?

[MartintheMopMan]

Why are we writing the initials and not full names of players?

Names are too long.

[hoosierpap]

I guess there is a little more gray in my world. I think both the players and the coach need to be held accountable and you're letting players slide otherwise when they are part of the problem. Reasonable minds can disagree. 

 

 

And, honestly, it's Friday so I'm just gonna go party or something. 

[Brass Cannon]

Isn't the coach the person that's supposed to hold them accountable though?

[hoosierpap]

Isn't the coach the person that's supposed to hold them accountable though?

Yeah, he is. I've stated Crean has accountability several times.

 

Crean and the leader ON the team...the one who is with them on the court, after practice, at dinner, at parties, wakes them up for involuntary shootouts, makes them stay after practice, calls player only meetings, invites underclassmen who live too far to holidays. Much different peer leader role than coach leader role. Both are important, IMO. 

[Naturalhoosier]

Yeah, he is. I've stated Crean has accountability several times.

 

Crean and the leader ON the team...the one who is with them on the court, after practice, at dinner, at parties, wakes them up for involuntary shootouts, makes them stay after practice, calls player only meetings, invites underclassmen who live to far to holidays. Much different peer leader role than coach leader role. Both are important, IMO. 

Well said pap.  I agree.  It's a joint venture.  They are in it together. 

[HoosierAloha]

This whole thing is somewhat insane to me. The fact that I am, seemingly, sticking up for a coach who I think deserves to be fired. But the points being made just seem to be piling on and don't really make much sense.

 

Promises are made in recruiting. That's the norm, not the exception, BY ANY MEANS.

 

1) YF- alleged promised starter? If that is true, which I have never heard outside of on here, then I guess that was a mistake? I know those promises go something along the lines of "you'll be our starter from day one" which isn't immune to a benching throughout a career. 

 

2) TW- Did Crean promise to get Troy to the next level? Yes, he'd be insane not to use that pitch/promise to Mom. Boo is smart enough to know that his nephew is going to make it based on his measurables alone. Not an issue. 

 

3)JBJ- promised minutes as a primary ball handler? This system runs with a lot of guys with the ball in their hands. I don't see it being force fed JBJ's way. Am I off there?

 

Re: 1) YF I believe HE actually stated he was guaranteed a starting role in a video interview his frosh or soph year. 
 

[HoosierAloha]

I was listening to pre game I think before st jhons Fisch asked yogi about being a leader and asked if it was hard for him and he straight up said yes. He struggles to voice to the kids what they should do on and off the court. I understand him some people just are not cut out for that. Not sure who crean should have pushed to be the leader though if he realized he couldn't. It was the Hoosier spot light maybe somebody could find it if they wanted to listen

 

It's easy to identify leaders or even players who want to develop leadership qualities.  The team should be doing off season workouts and/or non-basketball team building exercises that provide ample opportunities to identify leaders. 

[Uspshoosier]

Isn't the coach the person that's supposed to hold them accountable though?

so in your opinion in the history of college basketball no amateur player should be held accountable for their actions off the court or their actions on the court because the coach should hold them accountable and is to blame. Like pap I can't believe I'm defending a person I think should coach at a lower level program but in my opinion the blame should be equally on all parties involved. In my opinion the difference between players today at some programs compared to players in the past are they don't hold themselves accountable and take ownership for their own actions like they have in the past. Maybe it's a generation thing

[hoosierpap]

Re: 1) YF I believe HE actually stated he was guaranteed a starting role in a video interview his frosh or soph year. 
 

Probably right. Just something I've never seen personally.

[coonhounds]

Probably right. Just something I've never seen personally.

I have never seen anything concrete proof of the alleged promises people claim. I will say sometimes I definitely believe that there are promises that were made because that is the only thing that makes sense

[8bucks]

Re: 1) YF I believe HE actually stated he was guaranteed a starting role in a video interview his frosh or soph year.

Wait I know who YF, TW and JBJ are but who is HE

[JSHoosier]

I am not on as often as I used to be but took a quick look and didn't see anything. If that guy has given up then all hope is lost for crean lol.

No kidding.  Things are bad when he he stops doing everything imaginable to defend Crean.  He once went so far as to call Crean a better coach than Stevens, still not sure what he was under the influence of at the time but I'm not sure if Charlie Sheen would touch something that potent.

[HoosierAloha]

Probably right. Just something I've never seen personally.

 

Here is one place Yogi says he was promised a starting spot.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigten/2013/02/22/yogi-ferrell-indiana-hoosiers-basketball-aau/1939117/

 

Tom Crean kept his word. Throughout the recruiting process, Yogi says, his future coach promised him the starting point guard spot from the outset of his college career.

[hoosierpap]

Here is one place Yogi says he was promised a starting spot.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigten/2013/02/22/yogi-ferrell-indiana-hoosiers-basketball-aau/1939117/

 

Tom Crean kept his word. Throughout the recruiting process, Yogi says, his future coach promised him the starting point guard spot from the outset of his college career.

Good find. I hadn't seen that but I stick by my point based on how those promises go.

 

And encourage people to read that whole thing to get a sense of what I was talking about.

[JSHoosier]

Here is one place Yogi says he was promised a starting spot.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigten/2013/02/22/yogi-ferrell-indiana-hoosiers-basketball-aau/1939117/

 

Tom Crean kept his word. Throughout the recruiting process, Yogi says, his future coach promised him the starting point guard spot from the outset of his college career.

This rubs me the wrong way.  Players should have to earn the spot, not have it promised to them regardless of performance.

[HoosierAloha]

Good find. I hadn't seen that but I stick by my point based on how those promises go.

 

And encourage people to read that whole thing to get a sense of what I was talking about.

 

I don't mind promises either, as long as both parties understand that there are always exceptions.  I knew exactly what you were talking about while reading through your post.  I guess it's part of taking the good with the bad.  However, you always need a GOOD leader on your team. 

[ou812dude]

If the old adage is true...

"you reap what you sow"...

 

then IU is inherently going to reap garbage for years to come...

it has sowed the fields of corruption, deception, denial, and a lack of self discipline for years...all while claiming to hold a higher standard than the rest...what a joke.

[BtownBanner6]

To be fair Yogi was starting wherever he went.