The 5 Biggest Recruiting Misses of the Tom Crean Era

[AKHoosier]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What makes you say he hasn't panned well at Marquette? I haven't watched any of their games so idk what he looks like playing for them, but at least stats wise his numbers look pretty similar to Thomas Bryant's. 

I guess he has done well, averaging 11 ppg this year, 12 last year, and 11 the year before.  I do know earlier in the year he wasn't even starting, and Marquette wasn't even very good, so I was basing it off that.

He certainly would have helped us the past few years, that's for sure.

[mdn82]

 

Didn't bring a (big enough?) check?

 

 

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Nah, Crean's assistant told Kyrie how great Duke was and what he could do there under K instead of discussing IU. As everyone knows that assistant was subsequently fired. Up to that point we were considered the consensus leaders for him. We were surprisingly dropped from his list after that in home.

 

 

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[IUfan_Charlie]

45 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

Bruce Brown, Shake Milton, Devin Robinson and Trevon Blueitt are the main ones for me. I don't see them as misses if we really never had a shot. Kyrie was iffy but I would probably add him to it just because it is Kyrie. Gary Harris showed us some interest but I think he was MSU's to begin with.

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yeah, Bruce Brown and Milton will be first rounders imo. Brown might be lottery pick if he stays at Miami another year. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I guess he has done well, averaging 11 ppg this year, 12 last year, and 11 the year before.  I do know earlier in the year he wasn't even starting, and Marquette wasn't even very good, so I was basing it off that.

He certainly would have helped us the past few years, that's for sure.

Ahh okay, I was just curious about how he's been doing up there. Being able to play him alongside Vonleh would've been great, but if he stayed TB might never have came so it all worked out in the end. 

[Uspshoosier]

I guess he has done well, averaging 11 ppg this year, 12 last year, and 11 the year before.  I do know earlier in the year he wasn't even starting, and Marquette wasn't even very good, so I was basing it off that.

 

He certainly would have helped us the past few years, that's for sure.

 

I know for me, I always thought that by fischers senior year he would of been all big 10 if he would of stayed. While he has had a productive career at Marquette he never came close to the level I believed he would be. He won't be 1st team big east this year. He was overshadowed last year by ellenson. While a very good player not the difference maker I envisioned. He has fouled out of a lot of games this year as well. Even if Fischer would of stayed he wouldn't of played much along side vonleh. They were both 2013 so vonleh would of been out of the picture when Fischer would of been the main focus. Before he left I don't remember them playing much at the same time in the non conference

 

 

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[Hovadipo]

Nah, Crean's assistant told Kyrie how great Duke was and what he could do there under K instead of discussing IU. As everyone knows that assistant was subsequently fired. Up to that point we were considered the consensus leaders for him. We were surprisingly dropped from his list after that in home.

 

 

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Lol wtf. I wasn't around boards or anything at that point so this is the first time I've heard that story. Classic.


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[Old Friend]

The fact that Crean has missed on literally dozens of kids from Indiana in favor of players like Stanford Robinson, Tim Priller, Guy-Marc Michel, etc....  should tell anyone all they need to know.   His focus has been shotgun, and it's cost him.  Indiana spent > $600,000 on recruiting in 2015.  Wisconsin spent about $60,000.   Tom Crean can get enough kids to say yes, but he has no idea the kind of kids he needs to build a team that fits his style; and he has not recruited the kind of kids Indiana fans can get behind.  Same as Mike Davis.  People feel the same about James Blackmon as they did Bracey Wright.  It eventually cost Davis his job, and it'll cost Crean his job.   He never called Bluiett when he decommitted from UCLA; and he didn't recruit McIntosh.  He just doesn't seem to really know what he's doing.  We have a full roster; but a very poor team.  

[mdn82]

Lol wtf. I wasn't around boards or anything at that point so this is the first time I've heard that story. Classic.


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Roshown McCleod came here for one reason. He just did it better for other schools. He is the only assistant Crean has fired in his tenure. Well, he didn't "renew" his contract for the following season and it was one of those he was dismissed from the team when that was announced.


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[CrossboneIU22]

Remy Abel going to X or Trevon Blueitt?

Blueitt


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[AZ Hoosier]

And you cannot forget the recruits who should never have been offered:

Malik Story, Tijan Jobe, Guy-Marc Michel, Peter Jurkin, Jerimiah April, Tim Priller (MSB and crowd favorite, but...), Grant Gelon

[mdn82]

The fact that Crean has missed on literally dozens of kids from Indiana in favor of players like Stanford Robinson, Tim Priller, Guy-Marc Michel, etc....  should tell anyone all they need to know.   His focus has been shotgun, and it's cost him.  Indiana spent > $600,000 on recruiting in 2015.  Wisconsin spent about $60,000.   Tom Crean can get enough kids to say yes, but he has no idea the kind of kids he needs to build a team that fits his style; and he has not recruited the kind of kids Indiana fans can get behind.  Same as Mike Davis.  People feel the same about James Blackmon as they did Bracey Wright.  It eventually cost Davis his job, and it'll cost Crean his job.   He never called Bluiett when he decommitted from UCLA; and he didn't recruit McIntosh.  He just doesn't seem to really know what he's doing.  We have a full roster; but a very poor team.  

Old Friend. What does recruiting budget have to do with getting the right kids? Wisconsins 2015 class just hasn't been good, so I am unsure of the relevance of them spending $60k versus our $600k. I personally feel the situations are so different they aren't close to being relevant. I actually like our 2015 class. The rest of your statement I absolutely agree with. His inability to build a team is what has cost him his job.


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[hoosierpap]

39 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Kyrie had us at 1A until we had an in home.


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I've heard so much about that in home hahaha it's almost like folklore at this point though so idk even know whats real and what isn't besides Crean was absolutely livid and blindsided.

[mdn82]

I've heard so much about that in home hahaha it's almost like folklore at this point though so idk even know whats real and what isn't besides Crean was absolutely livid and blindsided.

Right. The stories that came out were hilarious. We could start a whole thread on that. The only thing we know 100% was Kyrie dropped us off his list and McLeod was let go. Looking back on the way Crean is with his assistants it must have been bad lol.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Cool thread.

Misses:

1) Kyrie
2) Gary Harris
3) Trey Lyles
4) Kris Wilkes
5) Trevon Bluiett
6) Shake Milton

I added 6 since Kyrie Folklore.

5 Missed Evaluations/fits/use

1) Jeremiah April
2) Tim Priller
3) Hanner Perea
4) Stan Robinson
5) Jeremy Hollowell
6) Grant Gelon ( I wouldn't have minded this as a late spring class filler-timing)

5 Gems relative to expectations

1. VO
2. OG
3. Bielfeldt
4. Sheehey
5. Ziesloft


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[Bruce038]

And you cannot forget the recruits who should never have been offered:

Malik Story, Tijan Jobe, Guy-Marc Michel, Peter Jurkin, Jerimiah April, Tim Priller (MSB and crowd favorite, but...), Grant Gelon

All guys picked up because we couldn't get any better players. Tc is drunk on athleticism but guys like hp and mcswain are not basketball players per say. Just because u have length and ups doesn't mean u can play.


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[mdn82]

Yo Hova, here is a good 3 month timeline of Kyrie per ITH. Almost too funny to let go.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/06/02/kyrie-irving-on-iu-theyre-at-the-top-of-my-list/

http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/09/14/irving-playing-recruitment-close-to-the-vest/

http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/09/18/kyrie-irving-postpones-indiana-official-may-not-visit-at-all/

Yep





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[Bowhunter]

28 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Cool thread.

Misses:

1) Kyrie
2) Gary Harris
3) Trey Lyles
4) Kris Wilkes
5) Trevon Bluiett
6) Shake Milton

I added 6 since Kyrie Folklore.

5 Missed Evaluations/fits/use

1) Jeremiah April
2) Tim Priller
3) Hanner Perea
4) Stan Robinson
5) Jeremy Hollowell
6) Grant Gelon ( I wouldn't have minded this as a late spring class filler-timing)

5 Gems relative to expectations

1. VO
2. OG
3. Bielfeldt
4. Sheehey
5. Ziesloft


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Great job Wayne!  I would also like to add  Donavon Mitchell to your list. I was foaming at the mouth for Crean to land him.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Great job Wayne!  I would also like to add  Donavon Mitchell to your list. I was foaming at the mouth for Crean to land him.

Yes and Bruce Brown too.

I also have a feeling we could end up saying this about Jaren Jackson and Malik Williams in 2 years.

I wonder how things would have gone with Goodluck. Probably terrible. Slightly better Hanner.

Kellen Dunham, Kyle Guy also make my top 10 easy.


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[LIHoosier]

For those who follow this closely: I know he went straight to the NBA, but how close were we really on Dante Exum?

[mdn82]

For those who follow this closely: I know he went straight to the NBA, but how close were we really on Dante Exum?

UNC


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