IU vs. Rutgers official game thread

[VO5]

4 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

Lesson learned: You can make yourself look bad, but don't make Coach(the boss) look bad. Like every business/organization I've ever been a part of.

I guess he doesn't understand that 20 turnovers a game, lack of fundamental defense, and having 0 plays for a half court offense effect his image as well. But nah, he's more worried about being a stand up guy with morals then actually using Xs and Os to adjust to his players strengths. Sorry, I'll get off my anti-Crean soapbox now. He just makes my blood boil

[Uwe Robb]

I've been worried about that for a while actually.  I hope it doesn't happen because the kid is going to be a player, but as the season goes on it seems more and more likely. The end of today's game definitely doesn't help. 

I have been saying since early non conference that DG should be getting most of JN's mins. They both make a couple dumb turnovers a game but DG's offense is much better with higher upside. He is true freshmen and will only get better. Especially with much needed game experience. It is JN's 4th year in college ball counting transfer year. 2nd w/ Crean developing him. Has he hit ceiling or no? If he starts all year this year and next year over DG then I definitely worry about DG transferring.


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[OliviaPope40]

44 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

Lesson learned: You can make yourself look bad, but don't make Coach(the boss) look bad. Like every business/organization I've ever been a part of.

OT pass this along to Grayson Allen. 

Edited January 15, 2017 by OliviaPope40

[The Ola Depot]

Green's got to be in Crean's doghouse. I don't know what else would explain him sitting so much of the 2nd half after how he played in the 1st. Wonder how he would've acted if another player threw the lob. I remember after the Michigan game a few years ago at home when they were #1 Vic threw down a dunk at the end with no one on the other end. Granted it was after the buzzer, but wouldn't the same moral standards still apply. I don't know if he didn't see it but there was no chewing about that.

[Alford Bailey]

1 hour ago, HoosierTrav said:

I'm in the camp that says you handle the DG situation privately. He embarrassed Green far more than Green embarrassed Rutgers. Not condoning Green doing what he did but there are better ways to teach him not to do that.

Agree here. And yes I can see DG transferring.

[TheWatShot]

2 minutes ago, The Ola Depot said:

Green's got to be in Crean's doghouse. I don't know what else would explain him sitting so much of the 2nd half after how he played in the 1st. Wonder how he would've acted if another player threw the lob. I remember after the Michigan game a few years ago at home when they were #1 Vic threw down a dunk at the end with no one on the other end. Granted it was after the buzzer, but wouldn't the same moral standards still apply. I don't know if he didn't see it but there was no chewing about that.

That kind of outburst makes me wonder if the "buzz" has been getting to Crean lately. 

[yogisballin]

Been saying all year til I'm now blue in the face. More minutes for Devonte


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[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, VO5 said:

This, and I think it's even moreso the fact that that's the most fired up he's been all season. Not for terrible calls, not for Bryant whining all the time, not for Blackmon losing his man every other possession, but for Devonte trying to get a guy who never plays a dunk. L O freaking L.

Crean made it a far bigger deal than it was, imo. Yeah Green shouldn't have done it but if he was wanting to show Rutgers up he would've pulled up for a three. McSwain hadn't played all game and I honestly believe Green just wanted to create a highlight reel play for McSwain and give him something to boost his confidence. I don't think Green did it with any malice intended, he just wanted to make a play for a buddy. 

It would have been a perfect teaching moment for Crean. Pull Green aside after the game, be like "look, I get that you were just looking to make a play for a teammate who doesn't get many opportunities, but that's not something we do here at the end of a game when we have a big lead. Dont do it again" and send Green on his way. Maybe make him run a little extra at their next practice. The message would've gotten across to him. Instead, he decided to blow a gasket, run onto the court and completely explode on the kid. There's no need to embarrass Green like that in front of thousands of people in Assembly Hall, and all the people nationwide who are going to see it now. If you're that angry at him wait till you get behind closed doors and go off on him. The fact Crean hasn't shown emotion like that all season long makes it 10x worse for me. With all the things that have happened this season, a freshman throwing a lob to a guy who spends most of every game glued to the bench is when he decided to get mad? Not to mention Crean didn't take his starters out of the game until there was about 1:30 left. Some people would consider that a form of showing up the opponent. 

[HoosierAloha]

Green's got to be in Crean's doghouse. I don't know what else would explain him sitting so much of the 2nd half after how he played in the 1st. Wonder how he would've acted if another player threw the lob. I remember after the Michigan game a few years ago at home when they were #1 Vic threw down a dunk at the end with no one on the other end. Granted it was after the buzzer, but wouldn't the same moral standards still apply. I don't know if he didn't see it but there was no chewing about that.

I think Green's lack of playing time is a perfect example of Crean understanding basketball and substitutions better than anyone else. It's the substitution that's not obvious that matters.

This whole situation is so Crean. I'm all for "respecting the game and opponent" and not showing them up. However, Crean seems to be inconsistent in his message to the team.

It's cool to
- turn the ball over
- not defend
- take bad shots
- make dumb plays

But throwing an oop at the end of the game will get you ripped in front of a national audience. That makes perfect sense.

[brandct]

He didn't want to show them up when we are up 20, but he sure didn't take his starters out when the game was well in hand the last 3-4 minutes. 

[Alford Bailey]

And of course the Green incident is a Sportscenter highlight. So ready for this coach to be gone and somebody write the book.

[Uwe Robb]

We play so many players extended minutes that I don't know when Crean wants to show mercy until MSB hits the floor.


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[Alford Bailey]

Honestly I want to run out on the floor throwing a fit at Crean yelling "See, you brought a guy in on scholarship that can't even finish the lob!!"

[Whoozhers]

The dust up was reported on national CBS telecast after the OSU/MSU game. Making it a bigger deal than what it should be. DG is a good kid. Hope he's ok and has a stellar next game!

[recker222000]

Crean got the win he needed today. Bring on the lions

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

That kind of outburst makes me wonder if the "buzz" has been getting to Crean lately. 

And this coming from the same man who went ballistic at a U of M assistant coach after a win a few season back.  

[Uspshoosier]

The only good thing about a Rutgers win for IU is that instead of being 3-6 against rpi top 150, IU is now 4-6. My first of 3 games to go to this year so it's always nice to see them win when u attend. Green shouldn't of done what he did but it's not the end of the world that he tried it. It just shows they difference in some of the basketball programs. Same situation happen yesterday with Virginia up 7 on Clemson and Virginia threw it long to a freshman Kyle guy. He had a chance to go in for a dunk if he wanted but without hesitation he dribbled under the basket and around to run out the clock. Some say green will learn from this and not make the same mistake again. Guy must of already learned the etiquette elsewhere ( probably because he played high school ball in Indiana) sarcasm button pushed


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[recker222000]

The only good thing about a Rutgers win for IU is that instead of being 3-6 against rpi top 150, IU is now 4-6. My first of 3 games to go to this year so it's always nice to see them win when u attend. Green shouldn't of done what he did but it's not the end of the world that he tried it. It just shows they difference in some of the basketball programs. Same situation happen yesterday with Virginia up 7 on Clemson and Virginia threw it long to a freshman Kyle guy. He had a chance to go in for a dunk if he wanted but without hesitation he dribbled under the basket and around to run out the clock. Some say green will learn from this and not make the same mistake again. Guy must of already learned the etiquette elsewhere ( probably because he played high school ball in Indiana) sarcasm button pushed


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This game could be the turning point. Think notre dame game.

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[Uspshoosier]

Notre dame game was a neutral court game against a team with a pulse and a possible tournament team at the time. This game was at home against Rutgers. I don't feel they are even remotely close. Unless I missed u hitting the sarcasm button.


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