College Football Thread

[mamasa]

Here's the thing- all of the players are of the age that they have been taught what bullying is. Some here have the "aw shucks, just boys bein' boys" mentality, but these kids are aware of the actual implications of bullying. The ones know when they're doing wrong, and most athletes have been given such preferential treatment that they think they're exempt from consequences. Not acceptable. I was a high school athlete, and our coaches always talked about how stupid hazing is. Why torment and abuse/humiliate a TEAMMATE? To show that they can "take it"? Ridiculous

[JSHoosier]

18 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Here's the thing- all of the players are of the age that they have been taught what bullying is. Some here have the "aw shucks, just boys bein' boys" mentality, but these kids are aware of the actual implications of bullying. The ones know when they're doing wrong, and most athletes have been given such preferential treatment that they think they're exempt from consequences. Not acceptable. I was a high school athlete, and our coaches always talked about how stupid hazing is. Why torment and abuse/humiliate a TEAMMATE? To show that they can "take it"? Ridiculous

This.  There shouldn't be any defending that behavior.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, bigrod said:

Literally, there is no such thing as 10000%.

I disagree 5 million percent.  

[Golfman25]

12 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Pat Fitzgerald had been there for 17 years.  Chris Collins has been there for the last ten years.  They literally have had just two basketball coaches since 2000 and two football coaches since 1999.  So much for coaches 'not staying very long'.

And if you want to say 'smart' schools like Michigan don't handicap their coaches via admissions, Caleb Love and Terrance Shannon would like to have a word with you.

Literally everything you said after the word Unlike is 10000% false.

Not even close.  One coach doesn't make a trend.  Look at their past.  Typically their coaches move on.  Since the 1980s starting with Dennis Green until Fitz -- 4 coaches lasted about 4-6 years.  And Fitz could have gone if he wanted to, but he was at his home.  Basketball, before Carmody, you're looking at 4 coaches between 3-8 years. Most of those coaches left with woefully loosing programs.  

And once again, two players out of how many don't make something 10000% false.  Those schools have a much more lenient admissions policy for athletes than NW.  Guys like Love and Shannon, as automatic no's, couldn't even step foot on NW campus.  That has been one of the negotiation points for Fitz and Collins -- loosen up the admission requirement for athletes.   

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Not even close.  One coach doesn't make a trend.  Look at their past.  Typically their coaches move on.  Since the 1980s starting with Dennis Green until Fitz -- 4 coaches lasted about 4-6 years.  And Fitz could have gone if he wanted to, but he was at his home.  Basketball, before Carmody, you're looking at 4 coaches between 3-8 years. Most of those coaches left with woefully loosing programs.  

And once again, two players out of how many don't make something 10000% false.  Those schools have a much more lenient admissions policy for athletes than NW.  Guys like Love and Shannon, as automatic no's, couldn't even step foot on NW campus.  That has been one of the negotiation points for Fitz and Collins -- loosen up the admission requirement for athletes.   

So coaches 30 and 40 years ago moved on quickly at Northwestern?  Means nothing now and hasn't for a long time.

If you think Michigan hasn't had a problem with admissions, I don't know what else to say.  We aren't even looking at just Love and Shannon -- their two biggest transfers in the last two years -- were both lost because they couldn't get through admissions.  But it's not just transfers....Papa Kante, 70th ranked recruit this season, also couldn't get in and had to decommit.  Juwan Howard came out publicly this year about the admissions issue at Michigan.

[Golfman25]

40 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

So coaches 30 and 40 years ago moved on quickly at Northwestern?  Means nothing now and hasn't for a long time.

If you think Michigan hasn't had a problem with admissions, I don't know what else to say.  We aren't even looking at just Love and Shannon -- their two biggest transfers in the last two years -- were both lost because they couldn't get through admissions.  But it's not just transfers....Papa Kante, 70th ranked recruit this season, also couldn't get in and had to decommit.  Juwan Howard came out publicly this year about the admissions issue at Michigan.

So does Michigan football have a problem getting dudes in?  You keep showing a one off and not looking at the bigger picture.  There are guys going to Michigan for athletics who couldn't sniff NW.   And I guess we'll get to see how well their coaching search will go.  It's not a top tier job.  

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

So does Michigan football have a problem getting dudes in?  You keep showing a one off and not looking at the bigger picture.  There are guys going to Michigan for athletics who couldn't sniff NW.   And I guess we'll get to see how well their coaching search will go.  It's not a top tier job.  

"One offs" doesn't equal three in just the past two years.  Name ANY basketball program that has three players in the past two years who were denied admission.

Not sure why you are bringing up Northwestern not being a top tier job.  No one ever said it was.  Your claim was that they cycle through coaches when factually they have had as stable of football/basketball coaching as anyone in the Big Ten in the past 24 years.    I think your vision of Northwestern being a program that sees coaches leave often and can't get players in because of their academic standards is something that has long been changed.  

[Gahoosierfan]

The NCAA announced its penalties for the U of Tennessee football program. It includes an $8 million fine and scholarship reductions among other things. It will also require them to forfeit some wins from about 4 or 5 years ago. I am wondering if their close win over IU in the Gator Bowl will be one of those wins.

[Golfman25]

12 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

"One offs" doesn't equal three in just the past two years.  Name ANY basketball program that has three players in the past two years who were denied admission.

Not sure why you are bringing up Northwestern not being a top tier job.  No one ever said it was.  Your claim was that they cycle through coaches when factually they have had as stable of football/basketball coaching as anyone in the Big Ten in the past 24 years.    I think your vision of Northwestern being a program that sees coaches leave often and can't get players in because of their academic standards is something that has long been changed.  

You miss the point that most questionable recruits don't even get the chance to apply.  Howard obviously thought he could get some guys thru, and did not.  Just proves my point that Michigan has lower admission standards for athletes (but I didn't say everyone gets in).

As for Fitz and Collins, NW got very lucky with those guys.  Both grew up in the Chicago area.  Both young with kids.  Collins kids are now out of the nest, will be interesting to see what happens if his success continues.  I am not saying NW hasn't upped their game over the years -- they are paid good money, newish facilities, etc. 

[LIHoosier]

Get that Gator Bowl Champion banner ready, baby!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38016152/tennessee-vacate-all-11-wins-2019-2020-seasons

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

1 hour ago, LIHoosier said:

Get that Gator Bowl Champion banner ready, baby!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38016152/tennessee-vacate-all-11-wins-2019-2020-seasons

Sorry but we basically banana peel'd ourselves for 60 minutes. 

Vacated wins are so stupid.  They take away the victories but their opponents still lost.  But we are supposed to believe these games never happened. 

[TTT]

It’s not over until it’s over….10 year contract extension for coach…brand new stadium 100,000 seat stadium located on the waterfront of Lake Lemon for 14th ranked incoming recruiting class 2024. Go Hoosiers football.

[Rico]

On 7/17/2023 at 3:04 PM, TTT said:

It’s not over until it’s over….10 year contract extension for coach…brand new stadium 100,000 seat stadium located on the waterfront of Lake Lemon for 14th ranked incoming recruiting class 2024. Go Hoosiers football.

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-big-ten-football-recruiting-rankings-july-17/

[craigyv88]

More benefits for Michigan playing absolutely no one in the non-conference for three straight years.  Harbaugh will miss East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green, and then the first conference game against...Rutgers.  

Report: Michigan HC Jim Harbaugh expected to be suspended to start the season (yahoo.com)

[LamarCheeks]

Geez, first Northwestern -- now Minnesota. 

Though I've poked fun a little over the past couple of years, I'm starting to have a better appreciation for #LEO! 

 

 

[LIHoosier]

Fleck entering the locker room

[Hovadipo]

There’s some real BS in that article. Coaches can say whatever they want to an AT to get a kid back on the field quicker, but no AT worth a s**t will give that more than a second of thought. So, either someone is lying or Minnesota’s sports medicine dept. is the real bad guy here. 

I don’t at all doubt that Fleck makes everyone clap for him when he enters a room though. Staff, players, or otherwise. 

[Josh]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/maryland-quarterback-taulia-tagovailoa-says-unnamed-sec-school-offered-him-1-5-million-to-transfer/

Alabama, right?

[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/maryland-quarterback-taulia-tagovailoa-says-unnamed-sec-school-offered-him-1-5-million-to-transfer/

Alabama, right?

My money is on Auburn. Only reason I pause on Bama is because Locksley is a Saban guy and that’d be a bit low, BUT all’s fair in love and NIL war. Taulia already took off on Bama once, too. 

[Josh]

3 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

My money is on Auburn. Only reason I pause on Bama is because Locksley is a Saban guy and that’d be a bit low, BUT all’s fair in love and NIL war. Taulia already took off on Bama once, too. 

Oh yeah, I forgot he was already an Alabama commit at one time.

You couldn't pay me $1.5 mil to live at Auburn for a year either.  Or anywhere in Mississippi.