(2018) PG Robert Phinisee to Cincinnati

[Hoosierfan2017]

Archie's recruiting better than his brother did his first year at Arizona. I feel really good about the direction we're heading. In a lot of ways Indiana sells itself. We finally have a coach who won't get in his own way. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Woohoo! Finally got into the app! Congrats Robert! Guess my calculator thing is magical.

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So did I. I prefer the app.

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[mdn82]

So basically his ranking is a reflection of his scoring abilities. Which if Archie recruits like we all are hoping we won't even need

Yep. He isn't 6'4" and hyper athletic. He makes the smart, heady plays. Not the flashy ones. He is the type of kid that will outplay his ranking by pure IQ. He is not a pro prospect and probably never will be. He is a player that you can count on. IMO.


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[Brass Cannon]

I seem to recall another low ranked PG outsmarting the Burger Boys of Kentucky on the Watshot. 

Despite his limitations as a player I always did like Verdell Jones even before that shot. 

[Chris007]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Yes. Being a floor general and defense is what he is known for.


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I don't think he helps much with Langford. I think Romeo is more concerned to see how Davis, Morgan, Jones plays and things like that. I don't expect the 18 freshman to play much with Langford for the one season he is here. 

[mdn82]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think he helps much with Langford. I think Romeo is more concerned to see how Davis, Morgan, Jones plays and things like that. I don't expect the 18 freshman to play much with Langford for the one season he is here. 

I am confused why you quoted me on that?

 

Edit:  I see now.  I was quoting his second sentence not his first.  I have zero clue on RL.  I live in north part of state.

[Chris007]

Just now, mdn82 said:

I am confused why you quoted me on that?

Just a mistake on my part. Must be too caught up in the eclipse stuff and quoted the wrong person. My bad

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Just a mistake on my part. Must be too caught up in the eclipse stuff and quoted the wrong person. My bad

 

Oh no...CHRIS HAS BEEN BLINDED! An important lesson for y'all not to wear "3 goggles" to block the sun's dangerous rays:

 

[mdn82]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Just a mistake on my part. Must be too caught up in the eclipse stuff and quoted the wrong person. My bad

Lol you are cool man.  Just figured it out and edited.  I was quoting the second sentence.  You had thought I responded to the first.

[ebridges24]

8 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Lol you are cool man.  Just figured it out and edited.  I was quoting the second sentence.  You had thought I responded to the first.

what's with all this civility??

[mdn82]

what's with all this civility??

Are we not supposed to be?


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[Hurryin' Hoosiers]

U guys are all buttheads :)

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[Hoosier Guy]

5 hours ago, goonaha said:

I wasn't trying to hate. I have nothing against optimism or predictions but it can be confusing when predictions are presented as facts. That's why I asked for clarification.

The Forrester news is discouraging but maybe the staff will do some official measurements for him on the visit. Also he has to see that he can get more playing time right away at some of his other offers. I suppose this is also Archie's first chance to prove himself as a talent evaluator here, since the 4 other commits were no brainers and Forrester is the first apparent "reach."

It's all good man. You make good points. It's just my thought that Forrester doesn't go to IU

[Hoosier Guy]

Interesting stuff Chris

[HoosierAloha]

Off topic:

I think Forrester can play an important role in this program. For those asking to hold the scholarship for 2019, we're not landing two stud bigs in that class. Forrester could backup Davis and an elite 2019 big.

I see Thompson as a more bruising 4 that could defend the opponents 5 while Moore defends further out on the perimeter. If he's still growing, I could see the staff wanting him as a backup 5 that develops over his time here. If Forrester is happy in that role and he does grow, I would gladly take him.

[Hurryin' Hoosiers]

i think there is a decent chance of getting 2 5 stars in 2019.

[HoosierAloha]

i think there is a decent chance of getting 2 5 stars in 2019.

2 5 star bigs? I can see two 5* coming from different positions but not bigs.

[Old Friend]

4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

So basically his ranking is a reflection of his scoring abilities. Which if Archie recruits like we all are hoping we won't even need

All rankings are based on scoring first.  Rankings by....whom?   What do these guys really know?  Most people who rank players have never seen 90% of the kids they rank.   After the top few which are obvious, rankings mean squat.  Hanner Parea was highly ranked (#36 or something) because he could jump and looked the part.   He had zero basketball IQ.   I personally put next to zero stock in rankings.

[Hurryin' Hoosiers]

2 5 star bigs? I can see two 5* coming from different positions but not bigs.

Do you consider tall SFs to be bigs?

[Walking Boot of Doom]

30 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

All rankings are based on scoring first.  Rankings by....whom?   What do these guys really know?  Most people who rank players have never seen 90% of the kids they rank.   After the top few which are obvious, rankings mean squat.  Hanner Parea was highly ranked (#36 or something) because he could jump and looked the part.   He had zero basketball IQ.   I personally put next to zero stock in rankings.

Your assessment of each player is based off of the talent you perceive they have based on game tape, highlight tapes, watching games in person, etc. I'm going to guess that you are doing this as a hobby in your spare time or you are retired and spend even more time doing so. I bet your assessments are pretty strong and credible. I'm also willing to bet that the guys at 247 who are paid to evaluate as many players a possible are just as good or better than you at evaluating talent. Additionally, I bet they have a larger pool of player evaluations they personal conducted to compare other players to.

So you either believe the paid folks conducting evaluations to create informed ratings are incompetent or that there is so much under the table influence that the rankings are a scam. Either way, I don't understand your vendetta against the rankings. They're actually quite accurate predictors. I do understand that it's very likely that Phinisee outshines his ranking while at Indiana, and cannot argue against your assessment of RP as I am certain I have not spent nearly as much time as you evaluating him.