Holding Coaches Accountable

[HoosierTrav 8,278]

Before I begin my boycott of the IUBB program, I would like to ask the posters of this site a couple questions.

With the recent dismissal of Emmitt Holt, when do we stop exempting our coach and staff from having ANY accountability?

For the folks who are seemingly "on the fence" when it comes to Crean's job security and are waiting to see his on court performance this season before making firm decisions on the matter: Now that Crean has been exempted from over 10 instances of player indiscretions, in a short time frame, are you willing to extend him another excuse for anything less than a top 3 finish and deep tourney run? I for one am all out of passes on my end. My support isn't something that he's entitled to just Bc he's our coach. I believe that would be blind support. He should have to take some responsibility here. He's running the program and the program is falling way short of its traditional standards, on and off the court. When does he face the reaper?

[JSHoosier 22,157]

When does he face the reaper?  When we have an AD that's not his fanboy.

[HoosierTrav 8,278]

When does he face the reaper? When we have an AD that's not his fanboy.

. Amen to that!

[JaybobHoosier 12,890]

HTrav, I am not a big Coach Crean fan for awhile. I think he enables a culture of poor behavior by letting Hanner slide on the OWI charge, along with Yogi and Stan's enormously idiotic event. Kids will make dumb decisions, but Crean dealt out consequences the players did not truly respect. I do think Crean needs to go, but not everything is on Crean however. Some kids will make poor decisions, regardless of how severe the consequences. 

 

I do ask that this doesn't become a heated fire or nit fire Crean thread. Let's keep it civil. HTrav, I know you hate this decision, but am very thankful for the civility you are going about this!

[Magnanimous 5,320]

As far as I'm concerned, Tom Crean is the interim coach of this team at this point.

[JSHoosier 22,157]

As far as I'm concerned, Tom Crean is the interim coach of this team at this point.

Unfortunately the man in charge is on the Crean bandwagon more than anyone. He'd stand there talking about how great of a captain Crean is while Crean is backing up to hit the iceberg again.

[Kepner 1,261]

I think he learned from his mistakes with the first couple of incidents. If you go back and read his presser from a week ago, he regrets not being harder on kids. He has a "savior" mentality with a lot of these kids. He believes in them probably more than they believe in themselves. He wanted to help Perea reach his potential but it was apparent that Perea cared more about partying than playing ball. He was too lax before and now he has come out and dropped the hammer on people. When it comes down to it, I don't know how much responsibility you can put on him. When he was too lax before, people called him out. Now people are saying he is being too harsh on kids. I think when it comes down to it, most of the fans have made up their mind about Coach Crean so no matter what he does, it will be wrong for a lot of people. 
My point of view, is that right now he is the coach and so I am going to support the program and him. Do I think he is the ultimate answer to us having a successful future? Nope. He has showed that time and time again. But me complaining online or boycotting the program will do nothing. After all, its sports we are talking about. Nothing life or death

PS. It is interesting to look back at other coaches. Knight kind of pick and choose who got disciplined too when he was here. Just read back to instances where he kicked players off the team for smoking pot, there were several starters like Woodson and Tolbert that got caught as well, but they were given more of a break than the bench players that were dismissed from the team. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 88,856]

Unfortunately the man in charge is on the Crean bandwagon more than anyone. He'd stand there talking about how great of a captain Crean is while Crean is backing up to hit the iceberg again.

I'm not convinced that's still the case.  To me Glass went out of his way in his statements that the dismissal was Crean's decision.  It had to be announced that way because to announce it in any other way would be a public admission that CTC is impotent and no longer in charge of the program.  I don't see Glass doing that with the class we need to fill for 2016.  (Let's put aside the issue of do they commit to IU or do they commit to CTC).  However, I think McRobbie made it clear to Glass there had to be a change in the culture of the b-ball team and I think, in turn, Glass has made it clear to CTC that he does not have a long term career ahead of him as head coach at IU and don't be surprised if there's not an announcement at the end of the upcoming season that CTC is leaving the program to pursue other opportunities.   Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.

[OliviaPope40 7,391]

“There is nothing hardhearted about holding people accountable for high standards and making tough, agonizing decisions concerning yesterday’s heroes who no longer contribute. It’s tough love. Leaders must care enough about their people, their futures, and the welfare of the organization. You’re not getting paid to maintain anyone. You are paid to lead and stretch them. Do your best to motivate and equip these people to perform, but if they don’t, you must stop hugging and burping them and take swift, appropriate action to cut your losses. Dave Anderson, Author of No-Nonsense Leadership

[Stuhoo 87,671]

“There is nothing hardhearted about holding people accountable for high standards and making tough, agonizing decisions concerning yesterday’s heroes who no longer contribute. It’s tough love. Leaders must care enough about their people, their futures, and the welfare of the organization. You’re not getting paid to maintain anyone. You are paid to lead and stretch them. Do your best to motivate and equip these people to perform, but if they don’t, you must stop hugging and burping them and take swift, appropriate action to cut your losses. Dave Anderson, Author of No-Nonsense Leadership

 

"Stop recruiting basketball players that end up being a tremendous pain in the ass"  Stuhoo, author of too many BtownBanners posts

[hoosierbgh 1,264]

Before I begin my boycott of the IUBB program, I would like to ask the posters of this site a couple questions.

With the recent dismissal of Emmitt Holt, when do we stop exempting our coach and staff from having ANY accountability?

For the folks who are seemingly "on the fence" when it comes to Crean's job security and are waiting to see his on court performance this season before making firm decisions on the matter: Now that Crean has been exempted from over 10 instances of player indiscretions, in a short time frame, are you willing to extend him another excuse for anything less than a top 3 finish and deep tourney run? I for one am all out of passes on my end. My support isn't something that he's entitled to just Bc he's our coach. I believe that would be blind support. He should have to take some responsibility here. He's running the program and the program is falling way short of its traditional standards, on and off the court. When does he face the reaper?

 

Good luck with your boycott, hopefully a few others join you. I don't think you appreciate the irony of your post coupled with an avatar of Brad Stevens though. Brad Stevens' handling of Crishawn Hopkins, specifically allowing him to remain on the team despite multiple previous issues, until he started shooting fellow students with a BB gun should, in my opinion, eliminate him from consideration as a replacement for Crean, for those holding to your line of thinking.

[HoosierTrav 8,278]

Good luck with your boycott, hopefully a few others join you. I don't think you appreciate the irony of your post coupled with an avatar of Brad Stevens though. Brad Stevens' handling of Crishawn Hopkins, specifically allowing him to remain on the team despite multiple previous issues, until he started shooting fellow students with a BB gun should, in my opinion, eliminate him from consideration as a replacement for Crean, for those holding to your line of thinking.

No irony there. Brad Stevens didnt have a culture issue at Butler, with many other players causing issues. Nice try though. You can point out one player under Brad Stevens. Know how many I can point out under Crean?

[Stuhoo 87,671]

Alright...I'll stop with the sarcastic comments and try to tell the truth as I see it:

 

Coaching a big-time program in the social media age of basketball Youtube mixtapes is a tricky proposition. There is a constant balancing act that is extremely difficult to pull off.

• A coach has to get a winning level of elite talent that allows for a balanced and deep roster, all while...
• A coach has to deal with talented 18 - 21 year olds that are constantly fawned over and are instant celebrities as soon as they hit campus.
• A coach has to deal with normal "18 - 21 year old guy urges" to drink, smoke and hump.
• A coach has to deal with the vicarious egos of parents and handlers

Really, really tricky to pull of, but it can be done. It is apparent to me that CTC did NOT pull this off with the recruitment of Patterson, Hollowell, DDavis, Stan Robinson, Hanner, Perea, April, Hoetzel, Abell, Holt, and potentially others. It is also reasonably apparent to me that Juwan, OG, Bryant, Gelon and some of the recent recruiting targets are in play as a reaction to those failures, but it may be too late given the damage that has been done to the program.

[Fulkme15 488]

Have fun on your "boycott" I'll be cheering this team on this year just like I have every other year. People forget that there are still fine young men on this team that deserve our respect and deserve to have full support of this amazing fan base. Not "fans" boycotting the team.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 88,856]

All of what's happened just reflects on CTC's recruiting strategy or, in my opinion, a lack thereof.  He seems overly enamored with chasing the 'name' players and throwing offers out like candy at a Christmas parade.  I don't think he has the ability to coach a team loaded with 4 and 5 star players.  Coach K can and so can Calimari and maybe 1 or 2 other coaches but not CTC.  That level of talent is playing college ball for 1 reason, to establish a position in the NBA draft.  I don't think CTC can get those players to buy into playing team ball and sacrificing individual stats for the benefit of the team.  CTC as a coach would be better served if he stopped chasing rainbows and focused on fundamentally sound basketball players who didn't already have their signing bonus spent.

[GnarlyNormEllenberger 1,462]

Crean's quotes from an IU press release on 05/02/08 following the dismissals of DeAndre Thomas, Jamarcus Ellis and Eli Holman...

 

“Our staff if going to ensure that anyone who attends this University and wears the Indiana uniform will make this privilege among their highest priorities and not treat the opportunity as an entitlement,” added Crean. “We fully expect our student-athletes to accept the responsibilities academically, athletically and socially that come with representing one of the top programs in college basketball history.”

 

Has the coaching staff lived up to their own standards listed above?

[ThompsonHoosier 3,416]

I started "boycotting" Crean's teams after Vic and Cody left. I found myself not enjoying the games as much. The players were not as passionate and seemed to care more about themselves than about the entire program. That's also when a lot of the off-court issues started happening. I found myself switching the channel some (not all) of the games and just coming back to see the last five minutes. It's sad but I have a feeling this season will be no different.

[recker222000 1,010]

I started "boycotting" Crean's teams after Vic and Cody left. I found myself not enjoying the games as much. The players were not as passionate and seemed to care more about themselves than about the entire program. That's also when a lot of the off-court issues started happening. I found myself switching the channel some (not all) of the games and just coming back to see the last five minutes. It's sad but I have a feeling this season will be no different.

Agreed it is very hard to get excited about iu hoops at this point. Crean was going to lock down the state but all he brings in are out if staters. We are basically going to have an 8 man rotation and an injury to bryant and its nothing but small ball. I guess we lead the nation in players booted off a team in a four month span though!

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[recker222000 1,010]

Crean's quotes from an IU press release on 05/02/08 following the dismissals of DeAndre Thomas, Jamarcus Ellis and Eli Holman...

“Our staff if going to ensure that anyone who attends this University and wears the Indiana uniform will make this privilege among their highest priorities and not treat the opportunity as an entitlement,” added Crean. “We fully expect our student-athletes to accept the responsibilities academically, athletically and socially that come with representing one of the top programs in college basketball history.”

Has the coaching staff lived up to their own standards listed above?

He is a good used car salesman. Heqas also going to lock the state down. If he does not win really big he needs to go.

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[Kepner 1,261]

I started "boycotting" Crean's teams after Vic and Cody left. I found myself not enjoying the games as much. The players were not as passionate and seemed to care more about themselves than about the entire program. That's also when a lot of the off-court issues started happening. I found myself switching the channel some (not all) of the games and just coming back to see the last five minutes. It's sad but I have a feeling this season will be no different.

Im not sure you know what the word boycott means