College Bball Thread

[Brass Cannon]

24 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Our top freshman and Bates would play through those mistakes against better teams and be better off for it. They’re going to play through mistakes against B1G opponents.  Trading that experience for our young rotation guys for garbage minutes for Gunn and Banks (both of whom I like) seems like a sub-optimal trade-off to me.  

Woodson would not be able to give them as long of a leash without risking a loss.  These cupcakes reduce the risk of a loss while giving the guys the maximum leash possible to grow. 
 

This schedule was done it would seem to let the team do the maximum amount of growing because come big ten time the rotation is going to be reduced. 
 

Once again I’m not sure I would have done it.  But it’s a sound strategy. Hopefully it works out 

[J34]

33 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

All top teams at buy games and by the end of the non conference schedule we will play as tough of one as anyone. People get caught up with feast week and see teams playing other top teams but that is just one week

Plus, we're one of the only teams with a quality, true road win.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Working on my Top 25 as the night finished out.... Still waiting on the UConn-Iowa St game... But WOW... Things are gonna get all sorts of mixed up. 

[HoosierAloha]

24 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Woodson would not be able to give them as long of a leash without risking a loss.  These cupcakes reduce the risk of a loss while giving the guys the maximum leash possible to grow. 
 

This schedule was done it would seem to let the team do the maximum amount of growing because come big ten time the rotation is going to be reduced. 
 

Once again I’m not sure I would have done it.  But it’s a sound strategy. Hopefully it works out 

I'm not suggesting we go crazy and play all power 6 opponents but 5 of our 6 opponents are 258+. Keeping those teams 250ish teams while swapping those 300+ teams for 200ish teams wouldn't change much except increase our noncon SOS. It's a debate every season, there is plenty of room for improvement there.

[J34]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm not suggesting we go crazy and play all power 6 opponents but 5 of our 6 opponents are 258+. Keeping those teams 250ish teams while swapping those 300+ teams for 200ish teams wouldn't change much except increase our noncon SOS. It's a debate every season, there is plenty of room for improvement there.

We'll make up for that, in the coming weeks.

Edited November 28, 2022 by J34

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm not suggesting we go crazy and play all power 6 opponents but 5 of our 6 opponents are 258+. Keeping those teams 250ish teams while swapping those 300+ teams for 200ish teams wouldn't change much except increase our noncon SOS. It's a debate every season, there is plenty of room for improvement there.

Things are pretty hampered by the forced schedules we get. 20 conference games, ACC/B1G challenge and the Gravity Games. I am 1000% in favor of the Gavitt and ACC/B1G going away completely. Gavitt Games just suck and really don't give any great matchups that anyone cares about. ACC/B1G challenge has become boring and repetitive. Would rather just have the flexibility to schedule as we please.

[HoosierAloha]

4 minutes ago, J34 said:

Plus, we're one of the only teams with a quality, true road win.

Not taking away from that Q1 road road win, it's good. That combined with the other games has us in the 350 range of noncon SOS so far. It will improve greatly with UNC, KU, and Arizona. We could do better with the rest of it though.

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, J34 said:

We'll make up for that, in the coming weeks.

Just from glancing over it my guess would be there is only 4 more games in the Q4 and Q3 range.   The rest will be Q1 and Q2.   With how well the B1G is doing if they do well in the challenge next week IU could be looking at 14 Q1 games in conference, 4 Q2 and 2 Q3.    IU only plays Minny and Nebraska once.   Less landmine opportunities to have a bad loss.  This is just my opinion and early estimation.  This will clearly change but every B1G team will deal with that type of schedule 

[Brass Cannon]

7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm not suggesting we go crazy and play all power 6 opponents but 5 of our 6 opponents are 258+. Keeping those teams 250ish teams while swapping those 300+ teams for 200ish teams wouldn't change much except increase our noncon SOS. It's a debate every season, there is plenty of room for improvement there.

I guess I don’t care that much. A quad 4 win is a quad 4 win. I don’t care that much about sos.  Whatever Woodson thinks is going to develop the young guys best is my guess. 
 

Once again it’s probably not what I would do. But it’s a sound strategy. I think back to the Little Rock game. Say that was a decent team. 150 or so range. Without TJD we weren’t going to be able to let the guys make mistakes without running the risk of a loss 

[Brass Cannon]

7 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Things are pretty hampered by the forced schedules we get. 20 conference games, ACC/B1G challenge and the Gravity Games. I am 1000% in favor of the Gavitt and ACC/B1G going away completely. Gavitt Games just suck and really don't give any great matchups that anyone cares about. ACC/B1G challenge has become boring and repetitive. Would rather just have the flexibility to schedule as we please.

Agree with this. I really want to play Virginia. Off top of my head we have play what 4 different teams In the last 10 years in the challenge. I might be wrong on that but feels like that 

[TheWatShot]

All this talk about non-con scheduling made me think of our batsh*t crazy (by today's standards, anyway) schedule in 2001-02:

at Charlotte

at Alaska-Anchorage (Great Alaska Shootout)

Marquette, in Alaska

Texas, in Alaska

at North Carolina

at Southern Illinois

vs. Notre Dame (first home game, December 4th)

vs. Ball State (ranked #15)

Miami, in Miami, but a neutral site

Kentucky (RCA Dome)

Eastern Washington (Indianapolis, Hoosier Classic)

Butler (Indy, Hoosier Classic)

 

No Power 5 team will ever play a schedule like this again. Kenpom ranked it #2 in the nation by the end of the season. 

[Uspshoosier]

Also the financial part of scheduling that makes team’s schedule so many of those +300 teams.   It’s cheaper.  To get better mid majors you have to pay more and in the past IU wasn’t willing to do so.   Not sure the stance know but it was reported that Miller was stunned by it in the beginning of his tenure 

[HoosierAloha]

6 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I guess I don’t care that much. A quad 4 win is a quad 4 win. I don’t care that much about sos.  Whatever Woodson thinks is going to develop the young guys best is my guess. 
 

Once again it’s probably not what I would do. But it’s a sound strategy. I think back to the Little Rock game. Say that was a decent team. 150 or so range. Without TJD we weren’t going to be able to let the guys make mistakes without running the risk of a loss 

There are ways to game the system while getting run for the younger players. I just don't see the need to have that many 300+ opponents. There is never a doubt about the outcome only the margin. I'd guess the win expectancy would be in the 90% range against the 200ish teams too.

[LIHoosier]

10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Agree with this. I really want to play Virginia. Off top of my head we have play what 4 different teams In the last 10 years in the challenge. I might be wrong on that but feels like that 

Without looking it up, I have Duke several times, UNC several times, a couple trips to Syracuse, a Pitt game and an FSU game. We played ND every other year and had a short series with Uof6 in the 2014-17 range so they were usually out of the running.

[HoosierAloha]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Also the financial part of scheduling that makes team’s schedule so many of those +300 teams.   It’s cheaper.  To get better mid majors you have to pay more and in the past IU wasn’t willing to do so.   Not sure the stance know but it was reported that Miller was stunned by it in the beginning of his tenure 

Our administration would never hamper our ability to schedule noncon opponents... I'm sure they could find some "specialty groups" willing to pay if they got something in return.

[go iu bb]

4 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

4 (I’m assuming, at this point) overtimes before flying cross-country then coming to Bloomington Wednesday? That’s a shame. 

Breaks my heart. 

[Uspshoosier]

11 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

There are ways to game the system while getting run for the younger players. I just don't see the need to have that many 300+ opponents. There is never a doubt about the outcome only the margin. I'd guess the win expectancy would be in the 90% range against the 200ish teams too.

Teams can game the system by scheduling these +300 teams as well.   As long as you are smashing them and keeping your efficiency numbers up your NET will continue to grow but it starts to backfire when your efficiency numbers are bad and you barely win or worst case lose to one of them.    Not saying it’s right but teams will find ways for the best numbers with least resistance.   If you want to play better teams I would at least make them 135 net or better.  At least that way you are making those games Q2 home games 

[Uspshoosier]

UConn has been impressive so far this year.  They can shoot it and they have size.   

[HoosierAloha]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Teams can game the system by scheduling these +300 teams as well.   As long as you are smashing them and keeping your efficiency numbers up your NET will continue to grow but it starts to backfire when your efficiency numbers are bad and you barely win or worst case lose to one of them.    Not saying it’s right but teams will find ways for the best numbers with least resistance.   If you want to play better teams I would at least make them 135 net or better.  At least that way you are making those games Q2 home games 

Neutral court game or away game. Not this season, playing at Xavier and at Kansas this season is great. Using KP numbers since we don't have NET numbers yet.

Neutral vs #10

Away vs #18

Home vs #21

Away vs #31

I like that schedule but the cupcakes we chose are extremely cupcake-y.

[Uspshoosier]

9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Teams can game the system by scheduling these +300 teams as well.   As long as you are smashing them and keeping your efficiency numbers up your NET will continue to grow but it starts to backfire when your efficiency numbers are bad and you barely win or worst case lose to one of them.    Not saying it’s right but teams will find ways for the best numbers with least resistance.   If you want to play better teams I would at least make them 135 net or better.  At least that way you are making those games Q2 home games 

 i messed the numbers up.   Those would only be Q3 home games.  Would need to be 75 or less to be a Q2 home game