College Bball Thread

[Scotty R]

43 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

 

It isn't that simple.  And all you are doing is exchanging one judgement call for another.  Not sure how you think that refs are magically going to get verticality calls correct when they miss block/charges.

The newly defined charge rule is a step forward.  Refs getting it wrong witht he newly defined rule is a separate issue because the rule establishes that the player must be set before the offensive player leaves his feet.  I'd rather fix the ref issue than get rid of the block/charge rule for another rule that would just be missed.

Some of these young guys would freak out the old charge calls. Before if you shot the ball before the contact on the charge the basket would count if it went in.  If the defending team was in the bonus they would get free throws.

[Tasmanian Devil]

49 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Not sure how you think that refs are magically going to get verticality calls correct when they miss block/charges . . . I'd rather fix the ref issue than get rid of the block/charge rule for another rule that would just be missed.

At least SOMEBODY gets it.

[hoosierbgh]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

 

It isn't that simple.  And all you are doing is exchanging one judgement call for another.  Not sure how you think that refs are magically going to get verticality calls correct when they miss block/charges.

The newly defined charge rule is a step forward.  Refs getting it wrong witht he newly defined rule is a separate issue because the rule establishes that the player must be set before the offensive player leaves his feet.  I'd rather fix the ref issue than get rid of the block/charge rule for another rule that would just be missed.

Yes, it ultimately comes down to the quality of the refs.  Eliminating charges and focusing even more on an more subjective call doesn't make a lot of sense. The refs already do a worse job getting the verticality rules correct than charges as it is. Worse, verticality comes into play far more often than charges, nearly every closely defended shot that isn't taken from the 3 point arc is likely to involve a verticality judgement. I doubt Edey would average half the points that he did if BIG refs could get the verticality call correct. Without a major change in the way he plays, he would be lucky to play 15 minutes in a game without fouling out were that rule called correctly. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

 

It isn't that simple.  And all you are doing is exchanging one judgement call for another.  Not sure how you think that refs are magically going to get verticality calls correct when they miss block/charges.

The newly defined charge rule is a step forward.  Refs getting it wrong witht he newly defined rule is a separate issue because the rule establishes that the player must be set before the offensive player leaves his feet.  I'd rather fix the ref issue than get rid of the block/charge rule for another rule that would just be missed.

Refs actually are a lot better at getting verticality calls correctly. Ask TJD and Edey. It's "replacing" a rule with a better and more correctly called one. A call with a lot less variables to be get wrong.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Like the moving screens that were a point of emphasis that never get called anyway?  The issue isn't the block/charge foul.  The issue is in the failure of the NCAA to produce quality officiating.  

The issue is the charge/block. Because it goes beyond the refs inconsistencies and into how terrible of a rule it even even and how terrible a part of the game it even it.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Refs actually are a lot better at getting verticality calls correctly. Ask TJD and Edey. It's "replacing" a rule with a better and more correctly called one. A call with a lot less variables to be get wrong.

The number of times that Edey got hacked with no call + the number of times he turned with elbows extended and into a defender says your point of refs getting verticality calls correct as way off base.

Heck, it would be easier to not have players have to dribble the ball as the variables involved in traveling wouldn't have to be spotted.  Being easier doesn't make it better.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Some of these young guys would freak out the old charge calls. Before if you shot the ball before the contact on the charge the basket would count if it went in.  If the defending team was in the bonus they would get free throws.

I honestly would be fine if that rule was back in place -- released ball before the charge counts as a bucket if made and offensive player control fouls count toward the bonus. 

 

[hoosierbgh]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Refs actually are a lot better at getting verticality calls correctly. Ask TJD and Edey. It's "replacing" a rule with a better and more correctly called one. A call with a lot less variables to be get wrong.

If you think Edey slamming into a stationary, vertical defender and then getting a foul call on the defender is a proper application of the rule, then it's no wonder you're whining about charges.. The verticality rule is missed more often than not and occurs far ,more frequently than charges. 

[HoosierHoopster]

Siap - Sampson cashed in at UH, almost 5 mil a year, now one of the highest paid coaches in MBB - yeah, when he supposedly put his hat in for an NBA gig he was … negotiating :)

[Scotty R]

https://www.wdrb.com/sports/bozich-can-john-caliparis-freshman-oriented-way-still-win-big-at-kentucky/article_614e6efe-0935-11ee-bae3-6751ac0d5c34.html 

 

[Demo]

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/calipari-collective-nil-lafamilia-club-kentucky-basketball/
 

So reduced to essentials, Cal’s begging his former players for money.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Well, duh!  Who else but?

From Jamie Shaw  -  Trent Burns, a 7-1 center in 2024, announces he’s now been offered by Purdue

[TheWatShot]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Well, duh!  Who else but?

From Jamie Shaw  -  Trent Burns, a 7-1 center in 2024, announces he’s now been offered by Purdue

I'm totally cool with Purdue continuing to go after frontcourt players instead of better guards. 

[Demo]

15 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Well, duh!  Who else but?

From Jamie Shaw  -  Trent Burns, a 7-1 center in 2024, announces he’s now been offered by Purdue

Painter must think he’s got another growth spurt coming.

[hoosierbgh]

15 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I'm totally cool with Purdue continuing to go after frontcourt players instead of better guards. 

At only 7-1, this kid probably is one of their guard targets. 

[Demo]

Doesn’t include private institutions, but IU #1 among primarily basketball schools.

[Stuhoo]

12 minutes ago, Demo said:

Doesn’t include private institutions, but IU #1 among primarily basketball schools.

Us and Michigan State. Both ahead of Kentucky.

[Pudman]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

Doesn’t include private institutions, but IU #1 among primarily basketball schools.

Interesting...well, we've done much better generating revenue over the past few years. I created this report a few years back up until 2019 using data from the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics. I just haven't got around to updating it - https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/chamccoy/viz/NCAARevenues/Conference-Year. I teach a class where students make Tableau visualizations, and we use these datasets to create a similar report.

[Stuhoo]

Hold your noses and read this. It's a Rupp Rafters post from a guy whose high school varsity bball player son just attended the "John Calipari Overnight Basketball Camp" in Lexington. If this post is true, what a sack of crap message to send to the camp attendees:

 

We just picked him up from camp and he had a blast. There was decent competition there, however, he didn't get to meet the players until right before he left. They were only doing autographs and pictures if you were lucky enough to make your way to them (we were).

Cal was a no show, other than the extra ten dollars we spent at the move in day to get a pic and autograph. Outside of that, he wasn't part of any activities. He didn't even make an appearance at the end of camp ceremony.

I'm glad my son had fun, but it just seems crazy to me that the actual coach and team weren't involved at all. Especially for a camp called "John Calipari Overnight Camp"...oh well.

[RaceToTheTop]

The Kentucky guy that is pretty trusted on inside info (Jack Pilgrim) says that grad credits are holding Reeves back from being a grad transfer but and Reeves has told UK he is going to be back but that Cal's calls to both Reeves and his dad are not being answered nor returned.  My guess is Reeves is looking at every possibility of trying to graduate and transfer but going back to UK if he can't.