College Bball Thread

[IUFAN1976]

On 3/7/2022 at 1:45 PM, str8baller said:

Wisconsin f’d us again. I’d love to have had another shot at them. We played them 80 min total and led about 75min of it.  
 

I was hoping Michigan State would have lost, we matchup to them decent and Wisconsin, I felt like we should have beaten them twice.  
 

I can’t get that image out of my head when Davis was waving bye bye and saying it to the Assembly Hall fans.  I would have loved to have another crack at them. They say the 3rd time is a charm!

[IUFAN1976]

17 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I'm not a Crean apologist but you don't develop one of the best offenses in college basketball consistently without being able to coach. It's more that he was a bad defensive coach and failed to develop sustained recruiting with depth for the next year. He would land a strong class, lose players to the NBA and overseas, with a follow-up lackluster recruiting class, and then he lost the high school coaches' respect, and the vicious circle began. 

You could certainly make the argument he's a better coach than CAM. Here's a thought, Crean was IU's third winningest coach of all time. Big 10 COY 2011-12, coached IU to wins over, among others, UK of course, twice, MSU, etc., first IU team to beat 3 top 5 teams in a season, the 2011-12 team was 2nd in the nation in 3-pt percentage (imagine that, today), same team finished 1st in the Big 10 in shooting and 3-point shooting and fg%, consistently after had IU among the top teams in scoring/shooting. He's not a really bad coach, but he's only good on one side of the ball and is too much a cheerleader on the sideline.

He definitely can’t coach against a 2-3 zone.  Being an offensive mastermind, you would think he would 

[Uspshoosier]

Idaho St/Sacramento St start the day out at 11:30 on espn +.    Cuse/Florida St really get it going at noon.     Noon basketball the rest of the week.   

[str8baller]

47 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He definitely can’t coach against a 2-3 zone.  Being an offensive mastermind, you would think he would 

Yea…his offense was a gimmicky. And anyone who took away that gimmick (basically selling everything other aspect of the game to get into transition) stalled IU’s offense in it’s tracks whether that was playing zone or controlling the pace and forcing us into half court (Bo Ryan).  
 

Crean could recruit and he was a good salesman. But he was not a good coach.

[JSHoosier]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He definitely can’t coach against a 2-3 zone.  Being an offensive mastermind, you would think he would 

His offense was good of they could get out and run.  Force them to play half court and it could get ugly.

[Its Always Sunny at IU]

49 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Yea…his offense was a gimmicky. And anyone who took away that gimmick (basically selling everything other aspect of the game to get into transition) stalled IU’s offense in it’s tracks whether that was playing zone or controlling the pace and forcing us into half court (Bo Ryan).  
 

Crean could recruit and he was a good salesman. But he was not a good coach.

Can I please have a not good coach who can win 2 Big Ten titles. Bring me the worst coach in America if he can win a pair of Big Ten Titles in the next 10 years. At the time I wasn't a big Crean fan, but right now I wish we would have kept him instead of hiring Archie. 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He definitely can’t coach against a 2-3 zone.  Being an offensive mastermind, you would think he would 

He certainly struggled with Cuse's Zone. But then, in that awful SW16 game, Hulls was playing injured, couldn't shoot, and Cody couldn't do anything in the middle. Unfortunate.

[Uspshoosier]

23 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

He certainly struggled with Cuse's Zone. But then, in that awful SW16 game, Hulls was playing injured, couldn't shoot, and Cody couldn't do anything in the middle. Unfortunate.

Crean proved over the course of his career he struggled with a 2/3 zone but I won’t kill him too much for struggling against that Syracuse zone or team.   When Cuse has the athletes and players that fit their system that 2/3 zone isn’t your normal 2/3 zone.  It just isn’t.   They have made better coaches then Crean look silly when they have their guys.   Worst matchup possible for that IU team.    Playing a top 10 KenPom team in the sweet 16 that year. Cuse defensive efficiency that year finished 6th.  Plenty of other examples of him not being able to figure out a zone but that team Cuse team was just as loaded as IU was.   

[HoosierX]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Crean proved over the course of his career he struggled with a 2/3 zone but I won’t kill him too much for struggling against that Syracuse zone or team.   When Cuse has the athletes and players that fit their system that 2/3 zone isn’t your normal 2/3 zone.  It just isn’t.   They have made better coaches then Crean look silly when they have their guys.   Worst matchup possible for that IU team.    Playing a top 10 KenPom team in the sweet 16 that year. Cuse defensive efficiency that year finished 6th.  Plenty of other examples of him not being able to figure out a zone but that team Cuse team was just as loaded as IU was.   

To be fair, that team played poorly almost the entire end of the year, and we were lucky to get by Temple in the round of 32.

[Hovadipo]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Crean proved over the course of his career he struggled with a 2/3 zone but I won’t kill too much for struggling against that Syracuse zone or team.   When Cuse has the athletes and players that fit their system that 2/3 zone isn’t your normal 2/3 zone.  It just isn’t.   They have made better coaches then Crean look silly when they have their guys.   Worst matchup possible for that IU team.    Playing a top 10 KenPom team in the sweet 16 that year. Cuse defensive efficiency that year finished 6th.  Plenty of other examples of him not being able to figure out a zone but that team Cuse team was just as loaded as IU was.   

That team was LOADED. I think they had more guys that, at minimum, had cups of coffee in the NBA than us on top of some really freakin' good college players. They had MCW, Gbinije, Rakeem Christmas, and a freshman Jerami Grant that all at least sniffed NBA rosters. Brandon Triche wasn't a cup of coffee guy, but one of the better Syracuse players in my lifetime (maybe ever?). CJ Fair and James Southerland were built in a lab for Boeheim's system. That team was talented as hell playing in a system that has wrecked brackets with exponentially worse rosters.

[JSHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Crean proved over the course of his career he struggled with a 2/3 zone but I won’t kill him too much for struggling against that Syracuse zone or team.   When Cuse has the athletes and players that fit their system that 2/3 zone isn’t your normal 2/3 zone.  It just isn’t.   They have made better coaches then Crean look silly when they have their guys.   Worst matchup possible for that IU team.    Playing a top 10 KenPom team in the sweet 16 that year. Cuse defensive efficiency that year finished 6th.  Plenty of other examples of him not being able to figure out a zone but that team Cuse team was just as loaded as IU was.   

With the right players that Syracuse zone is another animal all together.  Hulls being injured didn't help.  Plus his teams tended to fade at the end of the year, multiple factors contributed that that debacle.

[Uspshoosier]

22 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

To be fair, that team played poorly almost the entire end of the year, and we were lucky to get by Temple in the round of 32.

No question they played terrible down the stretch.  Cuse lost 4 of their last 5 games at the end of the regular season.  They ended up making a run to Big East championship game and gave Louisville that championship which caused them to fall to the 4 line.   Look at the other 4 seeds that year and it’s comical of course IU would be the 1 seed that’s 4 seed was a top 10 caliber team for most the year.  After they beat Temple I thought IU was destined for a run to the final 4.   Top seeds seem to always have that game early where they squeak by and then make a run 

[Uspshoosier]

16 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

That team was LOADED. I think they had more guys that, at minimum, had cups of coffee in the NBA than us on top of some really freakin' good college players. They had MCW, Gbinije, Rakeem Christmas, and a freshman Jerami Grant that all at least sniffed NBA rosters. Brandon Triche wasn't a cup of coffee guy, but one of the better Syracuse players in my lifetime (maybe ever?). CJ Fair and James Southerland were built in a lab for Boeheim's system. That team was talented as hell playing in a system that has wrecked brackets with exponentially worse rosters.

I looked it up. The Cuse team was in the top 10 all the way through Feb 25th.  Then lost 4 of 5 to tournament quality teams.   They are a perfect example that matchups matters in the tournament.   If IU would played St Louis or Kansas St they are probably in the elite 8.  Bracketing principles wouldn’t of allowed for Michigan to be in their bracket 

[Hovadipo]

The Big East tourney never makes any sense and I get a feeling it's going to make less sense than normal this year. I love that tournament dearly. I'm so excited for the next few days.

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

The Big East tourney never makes any sense and I get a feeling it's going to make less sense than normal this year. I love that tournament dearly. I'm so excited for the next few days.

While Thursday and Friday of the ncaa tournament is the best 2 days in college basketball as I’ve gotten older  champ week has become my favorite  week of college basketball during the year 

[Uspshoosier]

Mountain West starts today.  
New Mexico/Nevada 

Fresno St/San Jose St.  

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[HoosierAloha]

Dirty dirty and no call

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, HoosierX said:

To be fair, that team played poorly almost the entire end of the year, and we were lucky to get by Temple in the round of 32.

I don't get the notion that we played just so "poorly" down here stretch. They were definitely tired though and that was apparent. Went 10-5 from February on. Had losses at Illinois, at Minnesota, #14 Ohio State, #22 Wisconsin, #16 Syracuse. Our wins though were #1 Michigan, at #10 Ohio State, Nebraska(by 29), Purdue(by 28), at #4 Michigan State, Iowa, at #7 Michigan, Illinois, James Madison, Temple. The fatigue and injuries really hurt come tourney time but that Cuse team was really good, really long, really athletic and that was always going to hurt us. That Cuse team would probably be the best team in the nation this year. 

[Uspshoosier]

Clifton Moore time  La Salle/St Joes playing 

[southsidehoosier]

Syracuse crushing FSU