College Bball Thread

[Bailey7878]

Because this fostered so much conversation.

I know all the facts. Re read my post as I wrote it!

Coach B is on fire RECENTLY!

Archie is not proving to be a BLine AT THIS POINT!

People are so quick to jump on someone.

The only thing that makes this a comparison right now is both teams have what I would consider equal talent on paper.


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Im think iu fans are just running out of patience after 25 years of being average. Its not archies fault but crean would of gotten the same and should have by his second year. But all i ever heard was he gets a three year pass. His third year stunk. Zeller bough him six years in the end. I really hope archie works out. I really do. If not i think iu will just always be average.

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[mdn82]

Im think iu fans are just running out of patience after 25 years of being average. Its not archies fault but crean would of gotten the same and should have by his second year. But all i ever heard was he gets a three year pass. His third year stunk. Zeller bough him six years in the end. I really hope archie works out. I really do. If not i think iu will just always be average.

 

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The message BGleas was relaying and was attempting to send by quoting Wayne was patience. Wayne wasn’t the only one pining for Belein’s results. He would have been fired here after those three years. Never would have got to Belein’s best years here.

 

 

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[BGleas]

9 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Because this fostered so much conversation.

 

I know all the facts. Re read my post as I wrote it

 

Coach B is on fire RECENTLY

 

Archie is not proving to be a BLine AT THIS POINT

 

People are so quick to jump on someone.

 

The only thing that makes this a comparison right now is both teams have what I would consider equal talent on paper.

 

 

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Nobody is jumping on you, you made a point about Beilein and I'm responding to it. Beilein took over Michigan as a much more experienced coach than Archie when he took over IU, and it took Beilein 6+ season to really have any success at Michigan. In 11 seasons at Michigan he's missed the tournament or been bounced before the Sweet Sixteen 7 times. He's finished 7th or worse in the conference 5 times, including finishing 8th or worse twice in the last 4 seasons. 

The point is, Beilein has had some great seasons at Michigan but he's also had some bad ones, even recently, and it took him nearly 6 seasons to get it going. Patience is the point. If Michigan reacted to Beilein after 1+ seasons he would have been fired, but they knew they had a good coach and they were patient and they're reaping the benefits. 

This is where most want to point to Crean and how the admin was patient with him and it burned us, but Archie isn't Crean. Archie is a basketball lifer. Archie has already proven IMO that he's a good basketball coach, but implementing a new program takes time, as it did for Beilein, Bennett, Coach K, Jay Wright, Izzo, etc. They all struggled early at their current schools. 

I'm not saying it's easy. I get frustrated too, but the injuries have absolutely, 100% impacted the teams play early this year. Let's give this team a chance to get healthy and develop, and as hard as it is let's have some patience and let Archie build this thing. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Nobody is jumping on you, you made a point about Beilein and I'm responding to it. Beilein took over Michigan as a much more experienced coach than Archie when he took over IU, and it took Beilein 6+ season to really have any success at Michigan. In 11 seasons at Michigan he's missed the tournament or been bounced before the Sweet Sixteen 7 times. He's finished 7th or worse in the conference 5 times, including finishing 8th or worse twice in the last 4 seasons. 
The point is, Beilein has had some great seasons at Michigan but he's also had some bad ones, even recently, and it took him nearly 6 seasons to get it going. Patience is the point. If Michigan reacted to Beilein after 1+ seasons he would have been fired, but they knew they had a good coach and they were patient and they're reaping the benefits. 
This is where most want to point to Crean and how the admin was patient with him and it burned us, but Archie isn't Crean. Archie is a basketball lifer. Archie has already proven IMO that he's a good basketball coach, but implementing a new program takes time, as it did for Beilein, Bennett, Coach K, Jay Wright, Izzo, etc. They all struggled early at their current schools. 
I'm not saying it's easy. I get frustrated too, but the injuries have absolutely, 100% impacted the teams play early this year. Let's give this team a chance to get healthy and develop, and as hard as it is let's have some patience and let Archie build this thing. 

In some ways I honestly think it’s a lucky stretch for Michigan. Beilein is a good coach but his results recently are better than they should be. I don’t know if he should get all the credit or not.

I won’t be surprised to see Michigan fall back to the pack a little this season.

The only reason I referenced him is because he is currently the best example of getting more with less in college basketball. (Luck-skill-probably both).




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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Nobody is jumping on you, you made a point about Beilein and I'm responding to it. Beilein took over Michigan as a much more experienced coach than Archie when he took over IU, and it took Beilein 6+ season to really have any success at Michigan. In 11 seasons at Michigan he's missed the tournament or been bounced before the Sweet Sixteen 7 times. He's finished 7th or worse in the conference 5 times, including finishing 8th or worse twice in the last 4 seasons. 
The point is, Beilein has had some great seasons at Michigan but he's also had some bad ones, even recently, and it took him nearly 6 seasons to get it going. Patience is the point. If Michigan reacted to Beilein after 1+ seasons he would have been fired, but they knew they had a good coach and they were patient and they're reaping the benefits. 
This is where most want to point to Crean and how the admin was patient with him and it burned us, but Archie isn't Crean. Archie is a basketball lifer. Archie has already proven IMO that he's a good basketball coach, but implementing a new program takes time, as it did for Beilein, Bennett, Coach K, Jay Wright, Izzo, etc. They all struggled early at their current schools. 
I'm not saying it's easy. I get frustrated too, but the injuries have absolutely, 100% impacted the teams play early this year. Let's give this team a chance to get healthy and develop, and as hard as it is let's have some patience and let Archie build this thing. 

Good and fair response. I get it. Thanks for putting it toegether.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

And finally.

If I had to pick between Archie and Beilein to be our coach going forward, I’m picking Archie.

Age, pedigree, recruiting potential.

I just want him to overcome expectations sooner than later. Most coaches it takes years to build because of talent. We seemingly have the talent and that is where the frustration begins.


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[coonhounds]

And finally.

If I had to pick between Archie and Beilein to be our coach going forward, I’m picking Archie.

Age, pedigree, recruiting potential.

I just want him to overcome expectations sooner than later. Most coaches it takes years to build because of talent. We seemingly have the talent and that is where the frustration begins.


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Seemingly having talent and having talent are 2 different things. I agree i thought we would be better and a few players are but it is not enough without key players improvement. Justin smith really is key imo and devonte if they can get going we will be ok

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[BGleas]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Good and fair response. I get it. Thanks for putting it toegether.


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Appreciate your reply, and I'm not trying to come off as an 'Archie apologist' or act like he's above criticism. I've been disappointed in some things. For example, I haven't seen our program yet play with what appears to be Archie's identity. I thought we'd begin to see that sooner this year, though again injuries may impact that. But, we all know with certain coaches when you watch their team you get that 'the mentality of the coach is clear by how the players are playing' feeling and we haven't really seen that. 

Also, look at what Coach K did Tuesday. He knew we had a freshmen backcourt and would be in a hostile environment and he knew we struggled with pressure against Arkansas, so he comes our and pressures fullcourt from the tip. It was a great move. I haven't seen Archie really do many things like that to this point. It's basically pack-line and that's it. So, I'd like to see more of those types of adjustments. 

With all that said, I think Archie has a good chance to finally be Indiana's answer, and I've seen way more things that give me optimism, so I'm going to give him time and have patience with it, and I really do think we'll be happy sooner than later. 

[Hovadipo]

I was told B1G basketball starts tonight, but I see Michigan State is playing Rutgers. 

I must have been told wrong. 

[biteoftheapple]

Rutgers must have played well in the first half. They had a 1 pt lead when I turned it on. Now MSU up 5.

[schoosier]

Refs aren’t going for the regular grab and hold Wisconsin routine early. Now watching both teams play, I really like our chances. 

[Hovadipo]

Nice non-con road win for Sparty tonight. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Texas loses a buy game to Radford 62-59.

[biteoftheapple]

There is one thing that bothers Wisconsin more than anything. Athleticism and perimeter pressure. Yet somehow teams in the B1G have never figured that out.


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Wht has no one hired you?

[biteoftheapple]

That’s a really good question.


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Yea. You do have every answer. Both football and bball

[biteoftheapple]

Oh its noticed by everyone

[Walking Boot of Doom]

When does Iowa fall flat on their face this year?


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Mid-January, same as every year.


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[AKHoosier]

10 hours ago, Joe DeLow said:

There really is nothing better than a Wisconsin loss. Gard will never be Bo. Wisconsin will never be what Bo had them.


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Well I hope he wins just enough so Wisconsin doesn't get rid of him.

Tony Bennett would be there tomorrow if there was an opening, and I sure as hell don't want him in the B1G.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Lol yeah playing exceptional defense is pure luck!! Beilein is one of the best in his profession, great coaching won’t fall back, even if it does he has assistants that should help avoid the fall back!


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Sometimes winning basketball games has an element of luck, momentum, reffing, etc.

Beilein is good, and I’ve said as much but they are outperforming their roster. Or maybe I’m underestimating their roster.

And great coaching does fall back sometimes.


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[coonhounds]

Sometimes winning basketball games has an element of luck, momentum, reffing, etc.

Beilein is good, and I’ve said as much but they are outperforming their roster. Or maybe I’m underestimating their roster.

And great coaching does fall back sometimes.


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Nobody was bragging up beilein when crean was runming him out of gyms for years. They was a easy game i considered it under crean. He made a championship game but didnt win so still not good enough for us. Davis made a championship game lol

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