How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[go iu bb]

21 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

It's a pace and space offense like what the NBA does where everything is designed to be a 3 or come in the paint. 

The extra deep 3s are not my favorite shots but by being a threat out there, you force the defense to come out and defend which helps create more floor space for actions off ball, ball movement, dribble drive, etc. It also increases the pace of play by creating more possessions. I'd like to see us play with more tempo. Those shots are all about timing. They shouldn't be a staple of the offense but enough of a factor that it keeps the defense honest. 

Shooting long 3s means long rebounds, which arguably makes our weak rebounding have more of a chance. You cite that we were 10/35 against USC. We were 12/33 (36%) when we beat #12 Purdue and 11/34 (32%) vs UCLA. Again it's all about timing with long 3s. 

I think the green light from out there needs to be tempered moving forward (some of it is also definitely them "panicking") but stylistically it's not about "looking cool or we can win." It's about efficiency. UConn is shooting less 3s this year than in years past because so many defenses have adapted to the 3 pointer or dunk style of offense. They're taking and making more mid-range 2s than a lot of CBB teams I've watched this year. 

There's a balance to be struck. 

So Mike Woodson wasn't stuck in the past, he was ahead of the times. Bring back Woody!

 

[Home Jersey]

38 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

So Mike Woodson wasn't stuck in the past, he was ahead of the times. Bring back Woody!

 

Working out a lot better for UConn and Dan Hurley than Mike Woodson and IU. They still shoot a competitive amount of 3s ("modern offense")... Mike Woodson's IU team did not. I know you're joking, just saying.

These are still college basketball players (or whatever you want to call them. Not yet NBA guys). IMO championship caliber CBB in today's era means a reasonable balance between the 3 or Dunk NBA style and Mike Woodson's prehistoric offense that relied on principles formed long before most of this board was even a seed in their daddy's sack. UConn is a good example of that. They seldom take the super long 3. They are more likely to run a pin down for Solo Ball to hit a foul line jumper or work it into Tarris Reed. Then they let the 3s fly more when guys are in the flow of the game.

And as I pointed out, this is a subtle tweak to their offense after winning 2 titles in the last 3 years. That reiterates the obvious:

1) Good coaches are continuously learning and capable of adapting - we'll see what's different in Year 2 of DDV. 2) It's stupid to be overly rigid about "modern" basketball. The game will always evolve. Coaches worth their salt find ways to win... see point 1.

We all want to see YoY improvement and should expect to. We will get the chance for at least 3 or more likely minimum 4 seasons. Lastly, and then I've said my piece for now in this thread... DDV hasn't been a head coach for a full decade at any level. This is his 8th year and 2nd at the high major level. Being the HC is way different than an assistant. Nate Oats was a HC for 16 years when Bama hired him. Hurley 17 when UConn hired him. That was my biggest skepticism of the DDV hire.

Hopefully we finish strong, make the tournament, land a haul in the portal, and see what DDV changes (or doesn't) in his second year. Buckle up and enjoy fellas. Maybe ask the wife for some clean sheets if your's are soiled already. 

[str8baller]

22 hours ago, MonteMarcaccini said:

Maybe it deserves a separate thread and we can debate good shot/bad shot each game.

That’s what we are doing in this thread. Your position seems to be that you’re in favor of bad shots because it is year 1. Tell us what year a coach should actually start coaching, and then we can substantively disagree about something. Just so you’re not confused about my position, I’m in favor of a coach getting it right in year 1. 

[Golfman25]

42 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That’s what we are doing in this thread. Your position seems to be that you’re in favor of bad shots because it is year 1. Tell us what year a coach should actually start coaching, and then we can substantively disagree about something. Just so you’re not confused about my position, I’m in favor of a coach getting it right in year 1. 

Great players make good coaches.   The flip side is the weaker your team talent wise the more fundamentals, IQ, discipline, and coaching you need. 

[MonteMarcaccini]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

That’s what we are doing in this thread. Your position seems to be that you’re in favor of bad shots because it is year 1. Tell us what year a coach should actually start coaching, and then we can substantively disagree about something. Just so you’re not confused about my position, I’m in favor of a coach getting it right in year 1. 

Give it up “straight baller” lol.  You must be bored, maybe the YMCA run wasn’t enough for you tonight.

Never once advocated for “bad shots”, no matter how many times you want to try to twist that argument.

It’s very simple.  Short of a cheating or sex scandal, there is 0% chance DD is getting fired in year 1.  And his propensity to allow 28 footers from guys that have scored a boat load of points in their college careers might be the last reason he would lose his job in the year end performance review.

Take the night off and root for your team Saturday.  

[newcastle12]

13 hours ago, str8baller said:

That’s what we are doing in this thread. Your position seems to be that you’re in favor of bad shots because it is year 1. Tell us what year a coach should actually start coaching, and then we can substantively disagree about something. Just so you’re not confused about my position, I’m in favor of a coach getting it right in year 1. 

If you watch this team regularly and closely and don't think that D Rock is coaching, making adjustments and getting the most out of this roster I don't know what to tell you.

He has a free flowing offense, he lets shooters shoot.   He calls time outs and makes very obvious adjustments out of them to the motion and actions that they run.

They didn't spend the money they needed to get a top 16 type roster.  These guys have had some stupid mistakes at time, but they are obviously being coached.  

This thread is idiotic though, there's absolutely zero reason anyone should be trying to flush this coach after year one with this roster that was put together in 6 weeks, without enough money, and without assistant coaches other than Drew Adams primarily.  

Edited February 6 by Home Jersey

[Home Jersey]

1 hour ago, newcastle12 said:

If you watch this team regularly and closely and don't think that D Rock is coaching, making adjustments and getting the most out of this roster I don't know what to tell you.

He has a free flowing offense, he lets shooters shoot.   He calls time outs and makes very obvious adjustments out of them to the motion and actions that they run.

They didn't spend the money they needed to get a top 16 type roster.  These guys have had some stupid mistakes at time, but they are obviously being coached.  

This thread is idiotic though, there's absolutely zero reason anyone should be trying to flush this coach after year one with this roster that was put together in 6 weeks, without enough money, and without assistant coaches other than Drew Adams primarily.  

I think DDV is coaching them just fine, for the most part. Pretty good actually. I agree with your view of the thread. I don't think it's needed and conversations easily could've been had in game threads. And probably would've been way more constructive / substantive. But it's a free message board so people can have at it as they wish. 

The "free flowing offense" can struggle a lot in the halfcourt and we aren't deep or athletic enough to run a ton. We don't have a top 16 roster but money is not a good excuse for that.

We have more than enough money to field a top basketball team. To your point though, filling 13 spots is a lot different than filling 4-7 or however many it ends up being this time around.

He was far more hampered by not getting his first choice assistants and not being fully staffed for the portal IIRC. New coach at a school that's sucked for 10 years, was always going to be a tough sell to top guys last cycle. That's why making the tournament this year is so important. You can sell them on established style, teammates and a chance to win on a huge stage. 

[Golfman25]

While I agree he’s not going anywhere in year 1, and probably not year 2 and 3, and the thread is way premature.  But so what.   If you don’t like the thread, don’t participate.   Pretty simple.  

[Home Jersey]

14 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

While I agree he’s not going anywhere in year 1, and probably not year 2 and 3, and the thread is way premature.  But so what.   If you don’t like the thread, don’t participate.   Pretty simple.  

'Tis a free message board. 

Posters are allowed to make threads. Posters are allowed to think threads are stupid and say as much. Simple...

Hopefully the team finishes strong and moving forward there's less reason for anybody to visit this thread in the first place. 

[str8baller]

17 hours ago, MonteMarcaccini said:

Give it up “straight baller” lol.  You must be bored, maybe the YMCA run wasn’t enough for you tonight.

Did you get your feelings hurt?

[IUHoosierJoe]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

While I agree he’s not going anywhere in year 1, and probably not year 2 and 3, and the thread is way premature.  But so what.   If you don’t like the thread, don’t participate.   Pretty simple.  

Yes, I agree. Just FYI, my problem with this thread isn’t that I am personally offended by it, and I’d never argue against anybody’s right to post whatever they want. And certainly, I have gotten as frustrated as anybody watching IU play basketball the past 30 years (except for 5 or 6 years in there). My problem with this thread, right now, is that it makes our fan base look ridiculous. Ridiculous to other fan bases, and ridiculous to potential future players. And I know you’re going to say ”we’re no worse than Kentucky’s fan base.” Well, I’ve had an IU diploma hanging on my office wall for over 35 years, and I’d like us to represent our school better than that idiotic fan base represents theirs. 

[str8baller]

15 hours ago, newcastle12 said:

I don't know what to tell you.

I’d tell you to go back and read the board if you want my opinion on how the coach is doing.  
 

Me making comments in this thread is no more of an indication of me wanting the coach fired than it is you wanting the coach fired because you’re also making comments in this thread.

[Home Jersey]

30 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Yes, I agree. Just FYI, my problem with this thread isn’t that I am personally offended by it, and I’d never argue against anybody’s right to post whatever they want. And certainly, I have gotten as frustrated as anybody watching IU play basketball the past 30 years (except for 5 or 6 years in there). My problem with this thread, right now, is that it makes our fan base look ridiculous. Ridiculous to other fan bases, and ridiculous to potential future players. And I know you’re going to say ”we’re no worse than Kentucky’s fan base.” Well, I’ve had an IU diploma hanging on my office wall for over 35 years, and I’d like us to represent our school better than that idiotic fan base represents theirs. 

Sorry, we feel the same way about this thread, but this haughty idea that any fanbase is "better than" any other is a pet peeve of mine.

People are individuals and just because you find the behavior of some anonymous internet posters to be distasteful, it does not diminish the fanbase as a whole or reflect poorly on IU, which many on this board are also proud alumni of. I could give a rat's behind what other fanbases think. And I promise you this tiny little corner of the internet is not meaningfully moving the needle on public perception of the fanbase.

If things play out how they should, this thread will hopefully fade into irrelevancy soon anyway. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

8 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Sorry, we feel the same way about this thread, but this haughty idea that any fanbase is "better than" any other is a pet peeve of mine.

People are individuals and just because you find the behavior of some anonymous internet posters to be distasteful, it does not diminish the fanbase as a whole or reflect poorly on IU, which many on this board are also proud alumni of. I could give a rat's behind what other fanbases think. And I promise you this tiny little corner of the internet is not meaningfully moving the needle on public perception of the fanbase.

If things play out how they should, this thread will hopefully fade into irrelevancy soon anyway. 

Back in the day, being the best fan base wasn’t a haughty idea, it was a fact. That’s what a lot of players said when they came here. That’s one of the things that drew them here.

It’s funny that people can recognize that a sold out, loud Assembly Hall full of fans can help a team win, but can’t recognize what a Fire The Coach thread on one of the most visited IU fan sites, after 16 games of his tenure, can do.

But yeah, sadly, you’re probably right. Being the best fan base is probably just a haughty idea now.

[Stuhoo]

Hey all;

I am going to amend the thread title. The change will not affect any of the posts made, hopefully will better describe the really good ongoing and legit conversation, and will remove the less-than-optimum thread title snark.

Thanks

[Home Jersey]

31 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Back in the day, being the best fan base wasn’t a haughty idea, it was a fact. That’s what a lot of players said when they came here. That’s one of the things that drew them here.

It’s funny that people can recognize that a sold out, loud Assembly Hall full of fans can help a team win, but can’t recognize what a Fire The Coach thread on one of the most visited IU fan sites, after 16 games of his tenure, can do.

But yeah, sadly, you’re probably right. Being the best fan base is probably just a haughty idea now.

Perhaps we are talking past each other or there is some conflation at hand. So my apologies in advance if so.

What I found to be haughty about your post and what prompted me to respond is the notion that IU fans should "represent our school better than that idiotic fan base represents theirs." While referencing the diploma hanging on your office wall for over 35 years... just reeks of feigned moral superiority to me.

Do you dispute Kentucky fans also make a great environment in Rupp? Don't you think UK players said the same platitudes about having "the best" fans, just like IU players did? Is it not obvious that both have fans who go overboard on occasion?

By your logic, UK fans must be better than IU fans considering they've had much better on court success than us for most of recent history, despite being equally if not more chaotic / hateful online. Nothing basketball related is what I took issue with in your post. It was the feigned moral superiority.

Curious... do you happen to know the amount of traffic this site gets daily, weekly, monthly? What % of the total IU fanbase do you think actively spends time lurking (let alone posting) about every crumb of news like us psychos do?

Folks react to what they see with their own eyes and the vast majority of IU fans will never see or spend meaningful time on BtownBanners. Reddit has a much larger platform / reach and IU fans there would be tarred and feathered here for being sunshine pumpers lol.

Superlatives are for high school yearbooks and buzzfeed quizzes. People are gonna be people. No sense getting hung up on stuff you can't control. We're not back in the day anymore. 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Perhaps we are talking past each other or there is some conflation at hand. So my apologies in advance if so.

What I found to be haughty about your post and what prompted me to respond is the notion that IU fans should "represent our school better than that idiotic fan base represents theirs." While referencing the diploma hanging on your office wall for over 35 years... just reeks of feigned moral superiority to me.

Do you dispute Kentucky fans also make a great environment in Rupp? Don't you think UK players said the same platitudes about having "the best" fans, just like IU players did? Is it not obvious that both have fans who go overboard on occasion?

By your logic, UK fans must be better than IU fans considering they've had much better on court success than us for most of recent history, despite being equally if not more chaotic / hateful online. Nothing basketball related is what I took issue with in your post. It was the feigned moral superiority.

Curious... do you happen to know the amount of traffic this site gets daily, weekly, monthly? What % of the total IU fanbase do you think actively spends time lurking (let alone posting) about every crumb of news like us psychos do?

Folks react to what they see with their own eyes and the vast majority of IU fans will never see or spend meaningful time on BtownBanners. Reddit has a much larger platform / reach and IU fans there would be tarred and feathered here for being sunshine pumpers lol.

Superlatives are for high school yearbooks and buzzfeed quizzes. People are gonna be people. No sense getting hung up on stuff you can't control. We're not back in the day anymore. 

I don't mean to get into the middle of the back and forth here and won't post more on this, but seems to me that some of this is kind of over the top, and there's legitimate history behind his post that's getting overlooked.

I've been on these boards since the early 2000's and used to mod as well -- we've had recruit's family members, player family members (like Yogi's mom, etc.), and players at times reading and posting on some of these IU boards. Yes this is just a message board in a little corner of the Internet, and posting is just random IU fans sending out their thoughts in real time in this (imo) great space for IU peeps, and it's not like any of this really matters in the grand scheme of things ------ but, it is worth thinking about how, e.g., recruits, recruits' families, players and/or players' families might take some of the (imo) inane and visceral negativity that's sometimes posted. (No, I def don't mean to suggest thought policing, just my two cents on its worth considering impact on people out there)

[Home Jersey]

14 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I've been on these boards since the early 2000's and used to mod as well -- we've had recruit's family members, player family members (like Yogi's mom, etc.), and players at times reading and posting on some of these IU boards. Yes this is just a message board in a little corner of the Internet, and posting is just random IU fans sending out their thoughts in real time in this (imo) great space for IU peeps, and it's not like any of this really matters in the grand scheme of things ------ but, it is worth thinking about how, e.g., recruits, recruits' families, players and/or players' families might take some of the (imo) inane and visceral negativity that's sometimes posted. (No, I def don't mean to suggest thought policing, just my two cents on its worth considering impact on people out there)

This is totally fair and I think represents the rationale for updating the thread title to something more reflective of the actual conversations taking place in it.

Anywho, I'm content to end the back and forth here and look forward to beating Wiscy tomorrow. 

[Golfman25]

5 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

'Tis a free message board. 

Posters are allowed to make threads. Posters are allowed to think threads are stupid and say as much. Simple...

Hopefully the team finishes strong and moving forward there's less reason for anybody to visit this thread in the first place. 

Sure, but life is way too short to participate in stuff one thinks is stupid.   

[Golfman25]

4 hours ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Yes, I agree. Just FYI, my problem with this thread isn’t that I am personally offended by it, and I’d never argue against anybody’s right to post whatever they want. And certainly, I have gotten as frustrated as anybody watching IU play basketball the past 30 years (except for 5 or 6 years in there). My problem with this thread, right now, is that it makes our fan base look ridiculous. Ridiculous to other fan bases, and ridiculous to potential future players. And I know you’re going to say ”we’re no worse than Kentucky’s fan base.” Well, I’ve had an IU diploma hanging on my office wall for over 35 years, and I’d like us to represent our school better than that idiotic fan base represents theirs. 

As ridiculous as playing in an empty stadium.   Yeah I’m talking to you UCLA and USC.