IUBB vs Chicago State - Saturday, 12.20.25 @ 1:00 on B1G+

[str8baller]

36 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

You’d think you guys live in the age of immediate gratification and social media. Oh wait 

Yes, it’s definitely social media that has everyone apathetic after 25 years. The last time IU was a basketball power social media didn’t even exist and the internet barely did.  

[Shooter]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Only my opinion but I wouldn’t see a reason to panic until they start losing home games to teams they will be fighting for a tourney spot with.   Before the season the national college basketball media and most on here  felt making the tourney would be a good first year for DeVries.  Listen to the national media yesterday nothing has changed most feel IU is flawed team but still will be in that second tier of B1G teams that will be fighting each other for a tourney spot.   I didn’t watch the game but if I only went by what happen in this place I would have thought they lost the game.   Watching the highlights on the different stations however they actually pointed out IU taking care of business and doing what was necessary getting through the last game before break.   Unless you thought they were going to be the cream of the crop of the B1G in his first year then I guess you can panic because they won’t be close to the top teams in the league.  They will have a tough time with the Purdues, Michigans and Michigan States of the world this year however that leaves 14 other teams they will competing with for a tourney spot and my opinion only they will have chances against all the remaining B1G teams.  They are not going to win all those games however from watching those other teams play they are far from dominating teams where IU wouldn’t have a chance.   They will either win enough to be a tourney team or they won’t 

I was at the game. First half we dominated and made a bunch of open threes. Second half we mostly missed those same open shots. Also missed a bunch of FTs. Crowd was pretty weak, as expected for a Christmas break game against a bottom feeder. Not much to take away from this kind of game positive or negative, but those with agendas already decided will see what they want to see. 

Completely agree with the bulk of your post. I am much more optimistic about this team going into January than either of the last two seasons. 

[Stuhoo]

The football team is #1 ranked and one of the final eight in the nation and basketball just played a mid-December game against Chicago State, and y’all are apathetic?

okay then.

Winning big cures all apathy, sure. And times change.

[Shooter]

As it stands, IU is #29 in the NET rankings.

Torvik has IU as the #20 team in the country, with a 94% chance to make the tournament. Averaging a 6 or 7 seed.

I am not as high on our ceiling as T-Rank, just offering a data-based counter to the doom and glooming here.

[HoosierHoopster]

55 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Immediate gratification because the coach isn't over-performing after 12 games is one thing. I think it has more to do with being told, yet again, to be patient. We were patient with Crean. We were patient with Miller. We were patient with Woodson (even though he said he wanted to win right away). Now we're being told to be patient with DeVries. Eventually most fans are going to look at that and say "what's the use? it's not getting fixed, no matter how patient we are or how many times we're told to be." That's what leads to apathy. 

But it’s 1/3 into the first season, and he joined at a time when building a roster from complete scratch, zero returning players was an immediate uphill climb. I’m as anxious as anyone to see IU ball strong again, but it’s just the beginning, and this guy, unlike Woodson, can coach. It’s just reality that’s it’s going to take a bit — no, not 4 years or imo 3, but at least time to recruit and build a bit

[Josh]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

You guys with the apathy thing just crack me up. 
IU was the losingest team in college football. The worst. To say there was no excitement about IU football would be an understatement. 2 years later with real success there’s great excitement.
There was excitement during the Crean years in bball when we were winning B1G championships and making SW 16 runs despite mediocre coaching.

The attendance numbers for IU basketball even during the horrible Woodson years were top 10. Apathy? Here, sure, and students don’t care about the weak team we just played, but as IU ball gets its feet under itself going forward (it will, whether this season or next) the enthusiasm level will grow.
 

You’d think you guys live in the age of immediate gratification and social media. Oh wait 

Of course there's apathy.  We suck again and show no promise of improvement.  All the things the sunshine pumpers told us we'd see with this coach and team have fallen flat.  We have an AD who thought hiring Mike Woodson was a good idea and keeping him 4 years was equally brilliant.  Then he decided to hire a guy who appears to be just as bad.  

I'm sure enthusiasm will build if we ever become competent again on a national level, the same way it did with women's volleyball.  But that's what it is at this point.  People couldn't care less with this poorly run program right now.  The fact that people don't have apathy at this point surprises me more than those that do.

At least we've become so poor and predictable at basketball that it's become easy to win the prediction league!

[TheWatShot]

50 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The football team is #1 ranked and one of the final eight in the nation and basketball just played a mid-December game against Chicago State, and y’all are apathetic?

okay then.

Winning big cures all apathy, sure. And times change.

No one is apathetic about IU football. 

 

People are apathetic about IU basketball because they're tired of unranked, nondescript IU teams with obvious limitations that aren't relevant to anyone outside of Indiana, year after year, way more often than not for the past 25-30 years. 

[Stuhoo]

12 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

No one is apathetic about IU football. 

 

People are apathetic about IU basketball because they're tired of unranked, nondescript IU teams with obvious limitations that aren't relevant to anyone outside of Indiana, year after year, way more often than not for the past 25-30 years. 

Agree. But my point is that given all of the football awesomeness for IU sports fans, it was a given that this time of year with crappy games was going to bring basketball apathy.

With football like it is, if hoops was 10-20 ranked and playing Chicago State this week I’m guessing there’d still be a fairly similar situation.

[TheWatShot]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Agree. But my point is that given all of the football awesomeness for IU sports fans, it was a given that this time of year with crappy games was going to bring basketball apathy.

With football like it is, if hoops was 10-20 ranked and playing Chicago State this week I’m guessing there’d still be a fairly similar situation.

If basketball was ranked between 10 and 20 right now, we're not having this conversation. 

[Josh]

16 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Agree. But my point is that given all of the football awesomeness for IU sports fans, it was a given that this time of year with crappy games was going to bring basketball apathy.

With football like it is, if hoops was 10-20 ranked and playing Chicago State this week I’m guessing there’d still be a fairly similar situation.

I couldn't disagree more.  The basketball apathy is due to performance of the basketball team, not because of the success of the football team.

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

You guys with the apathy thing just crack me up. 
IU was the losingest team in college football. The worst. To say there was no excitement about IU football would be an understatement. 2 years later with real success there’s great excitement.
There was excitement during the Crean years in bball when we were winning B1G championships and making SW 16 runs despite mediocre coaching.

The attendance numbers for IU basketball even during the horrible Woodson years were top 10. Apathy? Here, sure, and students don’t care about the weak team we just played, but as IU ball gets its feet under itself going forward (it will, whether this season or next) the enthusiasm level will grow.
 

You’d think you guys live in the age of immediate gratification and social media. Oh wait 

Don’t attendance numbers count tickets sold rather than butts in seats? IU basketball will always sell tickets, and I don’t think the university really cares much if people actually show up for games, but the balcony especially has been a graveyard all season. Patience is harder to preach in the NIL era, particularly to the same fanbase that watched a coach immediately turn around the worst P5 football program in the country. It’s not Devries’ fault, but Crean’s last sweet 16 team was a decade ago. Happy moments have been few and far between since then. Fan appetite for yet another rebuild is virtually nonexistent. 

Certainly Assembly Hall will be packed if the basketball team gets things rolling again, but until then I expect more of the same mediocre Assembly Hall we’ve seen recently. 

[Stuhoo]

56 minutes ago, Josh said:

I couldn't disagree more.  The basketball apathy is due to performance of the basketball team, not because of the success of the football team.

My point is: It’s both, but mainly the football team.

The attendance for Chicago State was pretty good yesterday. Just watched Colgate play at the defending national champions. Maybe 5,000 in attendance.

[Shooter]

57 minutes ago, Josh said:

Of course there's apathy.  We suck again and show no promise of improvement.  All the things the sunshine pumpers told us we'd see with this coach and team have fallen flat.  We have an AD who thought hiring Mike Woodson was a good idea and keeping him 4 years was equally brilliant.  Then he decided to hire a guy who appears to be just as bad.  

I'm sure enthusiasm will build if we ever become competent again on a national level, the same way it did with women's volleyball.  But that's what it is at this point.  People couldn't care less with this poorly run program right now.  The fact that people don't have apathy at this point surprises me more than those that do.

At least we've become so poor and predictable at basketball that it's become easy to win the prediction league!

We suck and show no promise of improvement? LOL, what? It's less than halfway through our new coach's first season. We've lost a grand total of 3 games, and are currently projected to make the tournament.

[Hoosier987]

Didn’t watch game. Why so many 3s? 

[Hoosier987]

2 hours ago, Shooter said:

As it stands, IU is #29 in the NET rankings.

Torvik has IU as the #20 team in the country, with a 94% chance to make the tournament. Averaging a 6 or 7 seed.

I am not as high on our ceiling as T-Rank, just offering a data-based counter to the doom and glooming here.

It would be surprising if this team sneaks into the tournament. We simply don’t have the low post game to consistently compete in the Big Ten. I would love to be wrong…but without being hot from 3….not sure we can keep it close against some of the bigger/talented teams in conference. 
I think CDD is a good coach…definitely need a more balanced roster next season. 

[Scotty R]

3 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

Immediate gratification because the coach isn't over-performing after 12 games is one thing. I think it has more to do with being told, yet again, to be patient. We were patient with Crean. We were patient with Miller. We were patient with Woodson (even though he said he wanted to win right away). Now we're being told to be patient with DeVries. Eventually most fans are going to look at that and say "what's the use? it's not getting fixed, no matter how patient we are or how many times we're told to be." That's what leads to apathy. 

This is where I disagree because the fans have never been patient when it comes to coaches. Just because the AD didn't make a change when the fans thought it was time means the fans were patient. 

[Scotty R]

17 hours ago, Old Friend said:

It's sad to me that Indiana has become a team and program which relies exclusively on shooting well from deep to give itself a chance to win against decent teams.  We are going to get absolutely destroyed in the Big Ten.  DeVries right now, with this team is in way over his head, and i am sorry to say that.    We just got out-scored in the second half....at home...by Chicago State.  By 2-10 Chicago State.  I thought we got out-hustled.  I thought our shot selection was bad and our kids looked more interested in setting a 3 point record than playing good basketball.

DeVries did have a chance to really fire up his fan base, but playing this style and consistently playing down to competition and getting out-hustled is not the way to do it.

Indiana basketball's brand is "too big to fail."  In 2024 it was STILL the 3rd highest grossing program in NCAA D1 basketball, believe it or not.  Indiana needs the right coach....and one or two terrific recruiting classes/portal classes and we'll be just fine.  I give DeVries a one season pass, but a good coach can get a fat kid in flip flops to play hard, and Indiana just doesn't.  They're so frequently lazy, slow, weak, and deliberate or they're quick and selfish.  GOD how I want to root for this team and this program, but too many years of tolerating bullsh*t from Davis, Sampson, Crean (about half the time), Archie, and my goodness how pathetically bad was Woodson....have really flattened our fan base and it's obvious.  

The thing is getting the right coach is easier said than done. All of these top programs having openings should show you that most top coaches aren't leaving their current jobs to take over a blue blood program. The big coaches that had left like Calapari left before they got fired.

[Hoosierfan2017]

29 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

This is where I disagree because the fans have never been patient when it comes to coaches. Just because the AD didn't make a change when the fans thought it was time means the fans were patient. 

When have the fans been wrong? Mike Davis, Tom Crean, Archie Miller, Mike Woodson. None of them have done anything post-IU. 

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Don’t attendance numbers count tickets sold rather than butts in seats? IU basketball will always sell tickets, and I don’t think the university really cares much if people actually show up for games, but the balcony especially has been a graveyard all season. Patience is harder to preach in the NIL era, particularly to the same fanbase that watched a coach immediately turn around the worst P5 football program in the country. It’s not Devries’ fault, but Crean’s last sweet 16 team was a decade ago. Happy moments have been few and far between since then. Fan appetite for yet another rebuild is virtually nonexistent. 

Certainly Assembly Hall will be packed if the basketball team gets things rolling again, but until then I expect more of the same mediocre Assembly Hall we’ve seen recently. 

I think people are burned and worn out, not surprisingly, after 8 years of Miller and Woodson, but there was plenty of fun, excitement and fandom when we were winning under Crean (which wasn’t consistent). Of course it’s been a decade. That’s the past and we’re a whopping 1/3 into the 1st season, whoopee. You’ve posted earlier you’re encouraged by what DeVries looks to be as a coach. He’s the best coach we’ve had since Sampson. Can’t help impatience but the whiplash turns on here to complain and ***** are just wasted air to me

[Josh]

14 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I think people are burned and worn out, not surprisingly, after 8 years of Miller and Woodson, but there was plenty of fun, excitement and fandom when we were winning under Crean (which wasn’t consistent). Of course it’s been a decade. That’s the past and we’re a whopping 1/3 into the 1st season, whoopee. You’ve posted earlier you’re encouraged by what DeVries looks to be as a coach. He’s the best coach we’ve had since Sampson. Can’t help impatience but the whiplash turns on here to complain and ***** are just wasted air to me

I want to believe.  What makes you say he's the best coach we've had since Sampson?  What metrics are you looking at?