(2027) OT Dewey Young

[Lebowski]

Top 20 OT out of Kalamazoo, MI

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

[MartintheMopMan]

Wow that offer list is not what I'd expect for any 4* O-lineman. I can't decide if it looks like every recruiting battle Indiana was historically involved in and I should feel cautious about the guy or if it's normal and I just never actually followed football recruiting for anyone 4* and above because why would it ever be relevant to us?

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, MartintheMopMan said:

Wow that offer list is not what I'd expect for any 4* O-lineman. I can't decide if it looks like every recruiting battle Indiana was historically involved in and I should feel cautious about the guy or if it's normal and I just never actually followed football recruiting for anyone 4* and above because why would it ever be relevant to us?

So Dewey want him or not?

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So Dewey want him or not?

Dewey and Howe 

Attorneys at Law - Cheatem retired.

[MartintheMopMan]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Dewey and Howe 

Attorneys at Law - Cheatem retired.

He wishes. You didn't hear it from me but just before he decided to "retire" Alan Waes Cheatem got a DUI and lost his license.

[MartintheMopMan]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So Dewey want him or not?

Any Young man CCCC wants, I want too.

[Lebowski]

I take these rankings with a grain of salt so keep that in mind. But, he is considered one of the top 20 OT in the country and most importantly, he'll add depth to a position that is extremely hard to backfill. You can never have enough down hogs. 

And now that there's a transfer portal if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. 

Most importantly, if the young man wants to battle for the 812, he's got my full backing!!

[Hovadipo]

He's picked up more offers since that graphic was posted. Notably Ohio State in October. Not a great way to track how good a kid is either way though.

[MartintheMopMan]

21 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

He's picked up more offers since that graphic was posted. Notably Ohio State in October. Not a great way to track how good a kid is either way though.

If Cig has taught us anything, neither is their recruiting ranking.

But, my point is less about tracking how good he is at football and more about tracking how good he is outside of football. As in, if someone plays a coveted position and is impressive enough to scouts to garner a 4-star rating, but only getting offers from bottom-barrel P4 schools, then it suggests there is a problem the coaches/recruiter have seen that scouts haven't. I don't even mean that the other offers need to be coming from places like tOSU, but a real Big Ten team like Illinois or Iowa is a positive signal.

For outsiders, following recruiting is like reading tea leaves through the fog. I'm just trying to piece together any little bits I can find. It's just not possible to have enough context to really judge how a player will turn out. Hell, watching the player on a particular team is barely enough context, I mean, look at Brenden Sorsby.

[Hovadipo]

7 minutes ago, MartintheMopMan said:

If Cig has taught us anything, neither is their recruiting ranking.

But, my point is less about tracking how good he is at football and more about tracking how good he is outside of football. As in, if someone plays a coveted position and is impressive enough to scouts to garner a 4-star rating, but only getting offers from bottom-barrel P4 schools, then it suggests there is a problem the coaches/recruiter have seen that scouts haven't. I don't even mean that the other offers need to be coming from places like tOSU, but a real Big Ten team like Illinois or Iowa is a positive signal.

For outsiders, following recruiting is like reading tea leaves through the fog. I'm just trying to piece together any little bits I can find. It's just not possible to have enough context to really judge how a player will turn out. Hell, watching the player on a particular team is barely enough context, I mean, look at Brenden Sorsby.

Yeah, I mean you're really just along for the ride in football recruiting. Nothing about it is linear or black and white nor will it ever be. Offers can be offers and offers can be kinda offers. Everything is fluid. I don't think it's that weak of an offer list personally.

You can always pull up a kid's Hudl and watch him there.

[Lebowski]

54 minutes ago, MartintheMopMan said:

If Cig has taught us anything, neither is their recruiting ranking.

But, my point is less about tracking how good he is at football and more about tracking how good he is outside of football. As in, if someone plays a coveted position and is impressive enough to scouts to garner a 4-star rating, but only getting offers from bottom-barrel P4 schools, then it suggests there is a problem the coaches/recruiter have seen that scouts haven't. I don't even mean that the other offers need to be coming from places like tOSU, but a real Big Ten team like Illinois or Iowa is a positive signal.

For outsiders, following recruiting is like reading tea leaves through the fog. I'm just trying to piece together any little bits I can find. It's just not possible to have enough context to really judge how a player will turn out. Hell, watching the player on a particular team is barely enough context, I mean, look at Brenden Sorsby.

For context about the rating system for college football, IUFB's starting LG Drew Evans, was a zero star walk-on at Wisconsin. Every college in the country has a Drew Evans on their team. There's an award called the Burlsworth Trophy given annually to the most outstanding FBS player who began their career without a scholarship.

The rating system is to be taken with a grain of salt. There are metrics that indict a high school kid is going to be good at the next level thus the rating system but overall, a coach that is in the trenches on the daily are johnny on it when it comes to this stuff. Some coaches are better than others. Some coaches don't have the resources to land the kid they want as well. Before Coach Cig, IUFB was in the 'lack of resources' category. And sometimes there's a Drew Evans that walks in the door. 

 

[go iu bb]

3 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

For context about the rating system for college football, IUFB's starting LG Drew Evans, was a zero star walk-on at Wisconsin. Every college in the country has a Drew Evans on their team. There's an award called the Burlsworth Trophy given annually to the most outstanding FBS player who began their career without a scholarship.

The rating system is to be taken with a grain of salt. There are metrics that indict a high school kid is going to be good at the next the level thus the rating system but overall, a coach that is in the trenches on the daily are johnny on it when it comes to this stuff. Some coaches are better than others. Some coaches don't have the resources to land the kid they want as well. Before Coach Cig, IUFB was in the 'lack of resources' category. And sometimes there's a Drew Evans that walks in the door. 

 

There are many flaws in ranking systems. I imagine in football even more than basketball since you're dealing with many more players to have to look at.

I don't know as much about football, but in basketball one of the bigger flaws is that they're not really be evaluated on how well they'd be thought to perform at the college level but more skewed towards evaluating them as NBA prospects. This leads to looking at just athleticism and body over actual productivity. I wouldn't be surprised if football has a similar problem.

[Lebowski]

4 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

There are many flaws in ranking systems. I imagine in football even more than basketball since you're dealing with many more players to have to look at.

I don't know as much about football, but in basketball one of the bigger flaws is that they're not really be evaluated on how well they'd be thought to perform at the college level but more skewed towards evaluating them as NBA prospects. This leads to looking at just athleticism and body over actual productivity. I wouldn't be surprised if football has a similar problem.

"Production of potential." -Coach Curt Cignetti on recruiting.

[Hovadipo]

8 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

There are many flaws in ranking systems. I imagine in football even more than basketball since you're dealing with many more players to have to look at.

I don't know as much about football, but in basketball one of the bigger flaws is that they're not really be evaluated on how well they'd be thought to perform at the college level but more skewed towards evaluating them as NBA prospects. This leads to looking at just athleticism and body over actual productivity. I wouldn't be surprised if football has a similar problem.

I'd say the number one flaw in football recruiting rankings that isn't just "there's a billion kids and rating them correctly is literally impossible" is an early riser. A kid that starts/produces early at a big high school and gets noticed by the services. He gets ranked early on when there are less total kids being ranked, so he's already a step ahead. Then as he and his class get older, he never gets pushed down the rankings like he probably should, hangs on to a top-300 (often top-100) ranking when in reality he might not even be a top-1,000 kid. It's on the coaching staffs to identify these types and lazy staffs won't.

The best IUFB example I have is Rashawn Williams from MLK in Detroit. He's one of our highest ranked recruits ever and didn't have a prayer of playing high level FBS football. Went to JUCO after one season and never made it back up. See my last sentence in the previous paragraph for all you need to know there.

[Lebowski]

1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

I'd say the number one flaw in football recruiting rankings that isn't just "there's a billion kids and rating them correctly is literally impossible" is an early riser. A kid that starts/produces early at a big high school and gets noticed by the services. He gets ranked early on when there are less total kids being ranked, so he's already a step ahead. Then as he and his class get older, he never gets pushed down the rankings like he probably should, hangs on to a top-300 (often top-100) ranking when in reality he might not even be a top-1,000 kid.

The best IUFB example I have is Rashawn Williams from MLK in Detroit. He's one of our highest ranked recruits ever and didn't have a prayer of playing high level FBS football. Went to JUCO after one season and never made it back up.

The Dude abides. 

[DChoosier]

7 hours ago, MartintheMopMan said:

Wow that offer list is not what I'd expect for any 4* O-lineman. I can't decide if it looks like every recruiting battle Indiana was historically involved in and I should feel cautious about the guy or if it's normal and I just never actually followed football recruiting for anyone 4* and above because why would it ever be relevant to us?

FWIW……According to Scout the offer list is much better than what we used to compete with. He has been offered by Florida State, Auburn, OSU, Colorado, MSU, West Va, UNC, Missouri, Boston  College, Minny, etc.  

Also has mid-major offers from Toledo and Purdue.

[Artie86]

Just now, DChoosier said:

FWIW……According to Scout the offer list is much better than what we used to compete with. He has been offered by Florida State, Auburn, OSU, Colorado, MSU, West Va, UNC, Missouri, Boston  College, Minny, etc.  

Also has mid-major offers from Toledo and Purdue

 

…..lol! 

 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, DChoosier said:

FWIW……According to Scout the offer list is much better than what we used to compete with. He has been offered by Florida State, Auburn, OSU, Colorado, MSU, West Va, UNC, Missouri, Boston  College, Minny, etc.  

Also has mid-major offers from Toledo and Purdue.