Popular Post CSP Posted April 25, 2025 Popular Post Posted April 25, 2025 I think 34th in Torvik is solid respect at this juncture. JaybobHoosier, Soulsnipes, HoosierHoopster and 6 others 9 Quote
CSP Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 Also.... hasn't DDV, basically, EVERY year outperformed his team's predicted finish, computer poll-wise? Dave from Dayton, Soulsnipes, lillurk and 1 other 4 Quote
lillurk Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 6 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said: I think 34th in Torvik is solid respect at this juncture. Agree, it’s fine. Up to 31 after the adds last night. Dave from Dayton, HoosierHoopster, CSP and 1 other 4 Quote
CSP Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 2 minutes ago, lillurk said: Agree, it’s fine. Up to 31 after the adds last night. oh well that's news to me. Thank you lillurk 1 Quote
Stuhoo Posted April 25, 2025 Author Posted April 25, 2025 57 minutes ago, go iu bb said: Rabby says that CDD does plan to have a roster of 13. So 3 more to go. Long tall big Freshman Freshman or Euro surprise mike vannice, JaybobHoosier, pumpfake and 3 others 6 Quote
IndyHoosier1997 Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 54 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said: I think 34th in Torvik is solid respect at this juncture. Agreed, I would also like to still emphasize how absolutely useless computer rankings are when it comes to team building with a bunch of players playing together under a new coach. Completely different system. Some guys will overperform in that system, some guys won’t. But what the computer says they did with completely different teammates with a completely different coach in a completely different system doesn’t matter to me much at all. JaybobHoosier 1 Quote
CSP Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 6 minutes ago, IndyHoosier1997 said: Agreed, I would also like to still emphasize how absolutely useless computer rankings are when it comes to team building with a bunch of players playing together under a new coach. Completely different system. Some guys will overperform in that system, some guys won’t. But what the computer says they did with completely different teammates with a completely different coach in a completely different system doesn’t matter to me much at all. Maybe. sure beats where we were last year Dave from Dayton 1 Quote
IndyHoosier1997 Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1831451453573202325 posting this since we apparently love to cite where Torvik is placing a brand new team preseason, sorry if I do not particularly care what Torvik says. Hollywood Mike Miranda, Juwan Moye, Happydaze and 1 other 4 Quote
BA47591 Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 I can see the offense pretty clearly now. There are a number of things creatively that can be done defensively to keep us in the game. M2m we look a little short-handed though. I think Dorn and Miles have the makings of really good 3andD wings. The TT assistant we were rumored to be getting had a strong defensive pedigree that would come in handy. Quote
Juwan Moye Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 Curious if the thought is that Dorn is a wing starter or coming off the bench. It seems the 4 people most likely to start are: DeVries, Bailey, Conerway, Wilkerson. Dorn would seem to fit in well with that group. He’s a shooter with positional size even if he’s a sub-par defender. I don’t know who else we have on the current roster who would start in front of Dorn at least. So this would assume a lineup of: PG- Conerway SG- Wilkerson SF- Dorn PF- DeVries C- Bailey True 5-out basketball with a PG who can defend and get downhill on offense. Exciting. JaybobHoosier, Dave from Dayton and CSP 3 Quote
CSP Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 6 minutes ago, IndyHoosier1997 said: https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1831451453573202325 posting this since we apparently love to cite where Torvik is placing a brand new team preseason, sorry if I do not particularly care what Torvik says. it's a reference point, it's data.... nothing more, kinda weird to be bothered by it. Torvik had us in the 40s btw cybergates, Home Jersey and lillurk 3 Quote
IndyHoosier1997 Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 4 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said: it's a reference point, it's data.... nothing more, kinda weird to be bothered by it. Torvik had us in the 40s btw I don’t mind a reference point, but pointing to Torvik and solely Torvik seems like less of a reference point and more of a standard which is where I take issue mamasa 1 Quote
CSP Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 Just now, IndyHoosier1997 said: I don’t mind a reference point, but pointing to Torvik and solely Torvik seems like less of a reference point and more of a standard which is where I take issue who is doing this? what issue is there to make? Who/what is making Torvik a standard? Quote
IndyHoosier1997 Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said: who is doing this? what issue is there to make? Who/what is making Torvik a standard? Theres been plenty of discussion in the transfer portal thread on where Torvik is placing us with each transfer, and using it to justify how impactful/good our transfer class is over the last day or so. My issue is no other metric or deeper analysis is being done beyond just citing Torvik by certain posters. Quote
lillurk Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 5 hours ago, IndyHoosier1997 said: https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1831451453573202325 posting this since we apparently love to cite where Torvik is placing a brand new team preseason, sorry if I do not particularly care what Torvik says. As the unofficial “guy who posts lots of Torvik stuff, Fyi, there’s more in the projections than the “talent” rating; this doesn’t mean IU was ranked 3rd at any point last year. Neither the algorithm nor Bart, the person, said as much. This measure tells us what we all knew: IU paid for big time star rankings and a poorly constructed roster. I use Torvik because it shows more during the offseason and is free. As a predictive metric, like Pomeroy, it’s better than the human polls. You don’t have to like it, it won’t hurt me or anyone else, but I hope we can all use it in a way that reflects what it actually says with context. mamasa, Hovadipo, Home Jersey and 3 others 5 1 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 As the unofficial “guy who posts lots of Torvik stuff, Fyi, there’s more in the projections than the “talent” rating; this doesn’t mean IU was ranked 3rd at any point last year. Neither the algorithm nor Bart, the person, said as much. This measure tells us what we all knew: IU paid for big time star rankings and a poorly constructed roster. I use Torvik because it shows more during the offseason and is free. As a predictive metric, like Pomeroy, it’s better than the human polls. You don’t have to like it, it won’t hurt me or anyone else, but I hope we can all use it in a way that reflects what it actually says with context.Word. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app lillurk and cybergates 2 Quote
str8baller Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 2 hours ago, lillurk said: IU paid for big time star rankings and a poorly constructed roster. I disagree it was poorly constructed. He got a top center, a top pg, a well ranked off guard, and a good shooter off the bench. All things we needed. It was, however, poorly coached. As many of us expected. If CDD can’t coach them up with the best of them he’ll eventually be sent packing too. Stuhoo 1 Quote
CSP Posted April 26, 2025 Posted April 26, 2025 13 hours ago, str8baller said: I disagree it was poorly constructed. He got a top center, a top pg, a well ranked off guard, and a good shooter off the bench. All things we needed. It was, however, poorly coached. As many of us expected. If CDD can’t coach them up with the best of them he’ll eventually be sent packing too. ? .....He grabbed 1 guy who could shoot lol It was incredibly poor constructed. 3 of the 4 you mentioned don't touch the court on a T25 team. lillurk 1 Quote
Popular Post Home Jersey Posted April 26, 2025 Popular Post Posted April 26, 2025 I wanted a central way to look our new roster's stats/metrics and thought others may find the same view interesting. Probably going to tinker with some filters / formats for scanability. May add some more columns so happy to take requests. If I have time later, I will add comparison points to show where their stats compare vs. CBB average / leaders. 2025-2026 IUMBB Roster Overview All stats come from sports-reference.com. Five tabs at the top: Player rank/overview Last year basic stats Last year advanced stats Career shooting Career advanced stats Not interested in debating the validity of some of the advanced stats (BPM and WS have known flaws). The main ones I pay attention to are eFG%/TS%, TOV%, Free Throw Rate (FTr), and DRB% / ORB% BannerVille, Dhop, go iu bb and 9 others 6 6 Quote
Asha’man Posted April 26, 2025 Posted April 26, 2025 https://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php since Torvik keeps getting talked about. Here is the link to his 2025-26 projections. Quote
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