Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[IndyHoops 461]

52 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Tucker’s play isn’t about the other players ranked in the class.  There are underrated and overrated players in every class.  There are quality 50th ranked players in bad classes and there are poor 10th ranked players in good classes.

Ok… Tucker is overrated IMO.

[Artie86 2,415]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I agree. I had a 7th grade junior high team that was 14-0 and a dad asked to speak to me after a game. His son was our 6th man and played more than most starters. He said what does my son have to do to start. I said we need to lose before I'm changing anything. We went 22-0

.....lol, good thing you stood your ground. I coached 7th grade girls bb for several years and I know exactly where you're coming from. 

[IndyHoops 461]

1 hour ago, Artie86 said:

.....see,....this is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts. Yes, 5 stars, 4 stars, good stats, etc., are all great to know about and have coming in. What really matters is how they come in, work hard, improve, play hard and make a positive impact to the team. 

I guess the point I'm getting at is a teams like Purdue, Nebraska and others have flown under the radar with players, but have been able to prospers with "on paper - weak classes". Yes, both have good coaches to help develop those players as well as utilize them to their best abilities.

This is where CMW is behind when it comes to NCAA coaching. I guess we will see what happens this year and how we  can hopefully show a big improvement from last year to this year. This is where coaching and developing players really need to come to fruition. 

JMO

Woodson doesn’t have the system or development history for players like Tucker IMO.

[Ryno6284 3,016]

59 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Reminder we're now in a recruiting dead period through April 11.  No in-person on or off campus contact so recruiting activity limited to texting, cell phone, other forms of social media.

Can players still commit during this time?

[Artie86 2,415]

Just now, IndyHoops said:

Woodson doesn’t have the system or development history for players like Tucker IMO.

yep, he is so late to the "current" college game as well as recruiting, etc. He has a lot of work to do to turn this ship around and seems to have found a few good pieces as well as retaining important and impactful players.

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2 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Woodson doesn’t have the system or development history for players like Tucker IMO.

 

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1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

Understood, but I was responding to the "IU got 2" comment. I can't imagine adding 3 portal guards to the 4 returners (Cupps, Galloway, Leal & Newton.) Unless someone else is leaving or Woodson is turning 180° from his previous MO. 

I know people want to be convinced Woody can never change and maybe they are right but the staff is recruiting far more guard/wings than bigs.  To compete in the BT only Gallo should be expected to contribute meaningfully to our success next year from those returnees.  If Cupps, Leal or Newton contribute in a meaningful way great but I would assume those 3 would be further down the bench

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5 hours ago, IndyHoops said:

Woodson doesn’t have the system or development history for players like Tucker IMO.

Idk... not one to defend Woodson or his system. But, JHS was a one and done (wasn't projected that way coming in to my knowledge)... I think they score from similar spots on the court. You may say that him exceeding expectations has nothing to do with Woody's ability to develop talent and everything to do with the fact he was forced to play big minutes early. You may be right about that. But he was still playing in Woodson's system, which enabled him to showcase enough to go in the first round. He also coached Melo with the Knicks, another player you may say Tucker could resemble. And that system worked pretty well for Melo. In any case, Bryson Tucker clearly does not agree with the sentiment of your post or he wouldn't have signed on. He could've been paid a lot at plenty of places. IMO a 4/5 star like Tucker is not going to set himself up for failure/willingly go into what he perceives as a "bad situation" for him just for a big NIL deal... 

[IndyHoops 461]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

lol….

Hey, if Tucker is TJD or Ware his freshman year, awesome. And if he sticks around as long as TJD it might happen.

Tucker’s camp feels he is a one and done….and so did MM’s camp…and how did MM do the first 3/4 of the year? Did Woodson fulfill MM being a one and done? It’s my opinion that Tucker won’t contribute much next year. Nothing close to one and done All B10 numbers. If you disagree…or “WBR”… neat….

[IndyHoops 461]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Idk... not one to defend Woodson or his system. But, JHS was a one and done (wasn't projected that way coming in to my knowledge)... I think they score from similar spots on the court. You may say that him exceeding expectations has nothing to do with Woody's ability to develop talent and everything to do with the fact he was forced to play big minutes early. You may be right about that. But he was still playing in Woodson's system, which enabled him to showcase enough to go in the first round. He also coached Melo with the Knicks, another player you may say Tucker could resemble. And that system worked pretty well for Melo. In any case, Bryson Tucker clearly does not agree with the sentiment of your post or he wouldn't have signed on. He could've been paid a lot at plenty of places. IMO a 5 star like Tucker is not going to set himself up for failure/willingly go into what he perceives as a "bad situation" for him just for a big NIL deal... 

IU paid him $750000….going to guess there weren’t many places willing do to that… 

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1 minute ago, IndyHoops said:

lol….

Hey, if Tucker is TJD or Ware his freshman year, awesome. And if he sticks around as long as TJD it might happen.

Tucker’s camp feels he is a one and done….and so did MM’s camp…and how did MM do the first 3/4 of the year? It’s my opinion that Tucker won’t contribute much next year. Nothing close to one and done All B10 numbers. If you disagree…or “WBR”… neat….

But MM's camp called to make sure Woody was going to be the coach next year (per reports) and did not go portaling so they felt there was reason to stay.  Maybe they saw how he struggled early but somehow developed during the year and is on the brink of having a great year.  

[IndyHoops 461]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

But MM's camp called to make sure Woody was going to be the coach next year (per reports) and did not go portaling so they felt there was reason to stay.  Maybe they saw how he struggled early but somehow developed during the year and is on the brink of having a great year.  

Or maybe he got paid? Woodson promised him things others wouldn’t? 

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17 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Purdue and UConn develop players, IU doesn’t.

Simply not true. You don’t think Mgbako developed over the year? TJD didn’t develop? Reneau from year 1 to 2? If you said they didn’t develop then you should check your motives for why you believe what you do. I’m saying this as someone who would have been 100% behind a change for someone like Bruce Pearl. 

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Just now, IndyHoops said:

IU paid him $750000….going to guess there weren’t many places willing do to that… 

Can you show me the deal they signed and full terms? I'm going to guess if he felt that this staff did not have a credible chance of developing him/getting him to the pros, he would have gone somewhere else, even if they were paying less. 500-600k vs 750k is not such a huge difference that it negates all other considerations. Still a ton of money especially at that age. Would you take a job at a company you knew you had no growth potential in AND was also a sinking ship in its market for just a slightly higher salary? 

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17 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

Can players still commit during this time?

Yes

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17 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

Can players still commit during this time?

Yes.  

[IndyHoops 461]

1 minute ago, Feathery said:

Simply not true. You don’t think Mgbako developed over the year? TJD didn’t develop? Reneau from year 1 to 2? If you said they didn’t develop then you should check your motives for why you believe what you do. I’m saying this as someone who would have been 100% behind a change for someone like Bruce Pearl. 

Would Cupps been better at Purdue or IU this year? Would Banks been better at UConn or IU? Would MM been better at UConn or IU? Would Ware been better at Purdue or IU? Bates? Gallo? Leal? It’s a matter of opinion….

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2 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Simply not true. You don’t think Mgbako developed over the year? TJD didn’t develop? Reneau from year 1 to 2? If you said they didn’t develop then you should check your motives for why you believe what you do. I’m saying this as someone who would have been 100% behind a change for someone like Bruce Pearl. 

If anything I'd argue UConn and Purdue are successful because they run systems that fit their players well (hide weaknesses too)... not that they're so far and away better at developing players into pros. 

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3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Can you show me the deal they signed and full terms? I'm going to guess if he felt that this staff did not have a credible chance of developing him/getting him to the pros, he would have gone somewhere else, even if they were paying less. 500-600k vs 750k is not such a huge difference that it negates all other considerations. Still a ton of money especially at that age. Would you take a job at a company you knew you had no growth potential in AND was also a sinking ship in its market for just a slightly higher salary? 

If I planned on being there one year no matter what…. Most money….

[IndyHoops 461]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

If anything I'd argue UConn and Purdue are successful because they run systems that fit their players well (hide weaknesses too)... not that they're so far and away better at developing players into pros. 

And there is my main problem… there is a difference between winning college basketball games and developing promised players into pros…