Liam decomitting

[KathywithaC 494]

15 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'll give that one a try:

• The non-conference performance was underwhelming  -
  • Squeakers over bad teams 
  • Blown out by good teams
  • Upside? No upset losses.
• When we were 6-10 in conference, we were way, way underperforming vis-a-vis expectations. 
• Now? 6th in conference at 10-10 is exactly at expectations. Not terrible; not great.

Overall? About B-minus/C+ territory. 

How did you think we’d do this year?

[Golfman25 5,447]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

Everyone thinks everything is fine? Who said that? Not firing him means everyone thinks everything is fine?

That's the message.  If everything is not "fine" then what's being done about it?  All I see is "blame the fans."    

[8bucks 6,456]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Everyone thinks everything is fine? Who said that? Not firing him means everyone thinks everything is fine?

Well you said no one is contemplating a change right?  

[IUCrazy2 2,423]

30 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think another reason people are upset is that they looked at the roster for this season and thought we were going to contend in the Big 10, which was never a realistic view. Im keeping up with the conversation just fine, by the way. Taking a different view of the dialogue doesn’t mean I don’t understand it. I’m just trying to provide you with a perspective from how this is viewed from within the University as opposed to how it might be viewed by some fans. As for the notion of votes and consensus leading to unilateral decision making, I think you’re going to believe whatever fits your narrative, regardless of whether there’s any validity to it (there isn’t).

I don't recall anyone saying we were going to contend in the Big 10.  Not saying that population was zero, but that definitely was not consensus.  Most were hoping for an upper half finish, showing up in a few of the marquee games, and comfortably getting into the tournament.

As to your description of how the university is run and a bit of the...tone behind the comments, I would say that is not surprising either.  I think most of us know how Indiana is run and that is why the criticism exists.  The people in Bloomington inhabit a bubble that most of us do not.  That isn't a good thing for the people in that bubble who think being within means they have a better grasp on reality.

To put that a different way, Indiana University has had arrogant morons in charge for decades.  Anyone paying any amount of attention realized that a long time ago.

[Stuhoo 80,901]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

How did you think we’d do this year?

Thought that

1. we'd win one of the four tougher non-con games,
2. we'd get upset in one non-con game,
3. we'd blow out some bad teams (such as Army for crissakes) 
4. we'd start out slow but improve
5. that staff would correctly assess whether Banks and Gunn were useful rotational players
6. that we'd finish about 11-9 in conference.

 

[KathywithaC 494]

5 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

KathyC, so you are ok with the fact that after 3 years we are at a place of underachieving with recruits leaving and no current recruits on board?  Woody said himself he was here to win championships and it is time to put up or shut up.  He needs to be held accountable to his own standard that he set when he arrived on campus.  

Not okay with it at all - our program hasn’t been very good, with a very few exceptions, for 30 years. We have a leadership problem throughout the University that is the overwhelming cause of this level of performance, in my opinion. Different administrators, different coaches, same results. 

[Ghost of Rick Majerus 817]

The fact that Indiana hired Mike Woodson to begin with is all you need to know about those in leadership positions. 

He would not have even been considered if he hadn't played for Indiana.  No other respectable program would have hired him. Nor would they hire him now. But not only did Indiana hire him, they made him one of the highest paid coaches and extended him. 

So in short, it should surprise no one that he is back next year. Nor should it surprise anyone that he will probably be here for several more years. Indiana is OK with mediocrity. 

 

[go iu bb 6,102]

27 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

How did you think we’d do this year?

 

Better than we did do.

It became obvious pretty quickly that this would be a long season. Barely beating bad non-conference teams and getting blown out by almost every team that was half way decent.

Favorable schedule in a down (this was obvious even before the season started) Big Ten. Then only managed finish 10-10.

Should have been able to do better than that but the team didn't look like they really cared for most of the season.

[TadQueasy 713]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

Not okay with it at all - our program hasn’t been very good, with a very few exceptions, for 30 years. We have a leadership problem throughout the University that is the overwhelming cause of this level of performance, in my opinion. Different administrators, different coaches, same results. 

That very well maybe true.  But I would like to see Dolson have the chance to make his own basketball hire.  I know there is disagreement on what influence Buckner has on those things.   His football hire has been widely praised and I think he deserves a shot at making another hire.  But it seems we have delayed that at least another year.  How long do you think Woody deserves to right this ship?

[str8baller 5,260]

35 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Fans thought we were going to be good but the people in the know thought we would be average like we are. 

No, lots of fans thought we were going to be average too! I think the difference is the fans aren’t happy with (below) average whereas CKathys position is the that the board is fine with it. 

[8bucks 6,456]

3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Not okay with it at all - our program hasn’t been very good, with a very few exceptions, for 30 years. We have a leadership problem throughout the University that is the overwhelming cause of this level of performance, in my opinion. Different administrators, different coaches, same results. 

Ok so you are on board with a change but just telling us why the administration might not be

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,390]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Thought that

1. we'd win one of the four tougher non-con games,
2. we'd get upset in one non-con game,
3. we'd blow out some bad teams (such as Army for crissakes) 
4. we'd start out slow but improve
5. that staff would correctly assess whether Banks and Gunn were useful rotational players
6. that we'd finish about 11-9 in conference.

 

But that alone is a problem.  Projecting as a middle of the pack team means Woody isn't doing his job.  He gets paid to project as a top 3-4 team.  

Woody should construct a roster that is top 25 ranked every single year.  And then perform well enough to at least make the tournament.  I know it isn't easy.  But the resources suggest the right coach should be able to do this.  

[Home Jersey 7,601]

29 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

What did I say that wasn’t accurate? 

• "Nothing I say will change that until you get the outcome you think is appropriate." This conversation is not about my displeasure with Woody being retained, I'm unhappy because you won't answer a very valid question that RaceToTheTop posed which would go a long way in proving your point as well as substantiating your insider status.
• "Short of firing MW, none of that matters to you, which I get" Oh really? You know what matters to me? I'm actually not as anti Woodson compared to many on this board. What matters to me is, when having a conversation, I'm engaging with somebody who is doing so in good faith. What matters to me vis a vis conversing with you, is trying to find some of that insight you've been talking about. You position yourself as some sort of administration insider here, then refuse to engage on a substantive topic like the question RaceToTheTop posed. What matters to me is not MW being fired. You are not willing to prove your point re: the very bold claim you made that "consensus decision making has never caused unilateral authority at IU."
• "Further, they don't make decisions the way you wish they would." Again you have no idea how I would prefer decisions be made. It does not surprise me that the BOT and many others have input... I definitely think they should. You've shed no actual light on how decisions have been made other than saying Scott Dolson is unqualified and consensus is important.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,776]

22 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Showing the vote splits would certainly be a great way of proving that there is no validity to the notion, to reasonably minded people. 

Don't you think we're reasonable Cathy 

In this case, no you're not.  What happens in a board room stays in a board room.  I was not a director but served as the EVP and secretary for the board of a publicly traded company.  The only meetings I did not attend were discussions of my salary and that of the company president.  Too many of you are asking for BoT info that quite honestly is none of your business and specific votes or any questions related to split votes are irrelevant.   Issues are discussed; votes taken; decisions made and announced based on the votes -- my experience the chairman of the board never cast a vote except in the case of a tie.  Certainly his thoughts were made known but he himself did not have a vote unless there was a tie.  The board as a whole always has the option to replace the board chairman if there is that much disagreement among the board members and they believe different leadership is needed.   

 

 

[8bucks 6,456]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

But that alone is a problem.  Projecting as a middle of the pack team means Woody isn't doing his job.  He gets paid to project as a top 3-4 team.  

Woody should construct a roster that is top 25 ranked every single year.  And then perform well enough to at least make the tournament.  I know it isn't easy.  But the resources suggest the right coach should be able to do this.  

Exactly.  If we have different expectations than the head coach then maybe we need to adjust but Woodson's own goals are to win Big Ten and National titles.  Sure we cannot expect to win every one of those, but no BT titles in 3 years is falling short.  We should not readjust our expectations if the staff fails to recruit well should we?  

[Golfman25 5,447]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

No, lots of fans thought we were going to be average too! I think the difference is the fans aren’t happy with (below) average whereas CKathys position is the that the board is fine with it. 

Well I was a True Fan.  I thought we where winning it all.   

[Stuhoo 80,901]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

But that alone is a problem.  Projecting as a middle of the pack team means Woody isn't doing his job.  He gets paid to project as a top 3-4 team.  

Woody should construct a roster that is top 25 ranked every single year.  And then perform well enough to at least make the tournament.  I know it isn't easy.  But the resources suggest the right coach should be able to do this.  

Great point. And he’s 65.

That’s why I wish we’d switch to Dusty May asap.

[Feathery 4,005]

16 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

No.

So you’re not a member of the BoT, do you have any connection to the coaching staff/AD/or BoT? If so, what’s the connection?

[Golfman25 5,447]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

In this case, no you're not.  What happens in a board room stays in a board room.  I was not a director but served as the EVP and secretary for the board of a publicly traded company.  The only meetings I did not attend were discussions of my salary and that of the company president.  Too many of you are asking for BoT info that quite honestly is none of your business and specific votes or any questions related to split votes are irrelevant.   Issues are discussed; votes taken; decisions made and announced based on the votes -- my experience the chairman of the board never cast a vote except in the case of a tie.  Certainly his thoughts were made known but he himself did not have a vote unless there was a tie.  The board as a whole always has the option to replace the board chairman if there is that much disagreement among the board members and they believe different leadership is needed.   

 

 

Public school.  Public board.  Minutes should be available with records of any votes taken.  

[Trish 11,570]

Liam is officially off the hook for attending Indiana. Mike Woodson doing his job, a great job!