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[Hornsby 1,652]

But I believe the majority of people think he is already getting the 4th season. 

If he wants it some say he doesn't seem or look happy. Next year the pressure cooker he will be under will be worse than this year. And he will have to produce a tourney and a good season or he will be gone.

 

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[Alford Bailey 12,356]

This team could still have a 20 win season. Probably doesn’t make the tournament but you gonna fire a guy with 3 straight 20 win seasons if that happens? Don’t think so.

[Alford Bailey 12,356]

14 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

If he wants it some say he doesn't seem or look happy. Next year the pressure cooker he will be under will be worse than this year. And he will have to produce a tourney and a good season or he will be gone.

 

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No the pressure cooker will be this spring building the roster for next season.

[Hornsby 1,652]

No the pressure cooker will be this spring building the roster for next season.

True. Will probably need 5 to 7 players and that will require him to bust his behind

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[NashvilleHoosier 3,688]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If Woody is back next season and UL, UM, OSU, and potentially UCLA all have openings and hire the good coaches currently available we will never recover.

Oh c’mon. So there are 4 coaches that are available now that can save us or we are done? The overwhelming majority of coaching candidates that get mentioned on this board will still be coaching at their same job next season, so they’ll be just as “available”. Nobody even knew who Dusty May was until last season. There will always be hot new names come up. What if Michael Lewis has a breakthrough season next year? I’m 100% okay with us making a change this offseason. But this is quite an overreaction of a take. 

[Stuhoo 79,798]

3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Oh c’mon. So there are 4 coaches that are available now that can save us or we are done? The overwhelming majority of coaching candidates that get mentioned on this board will still be coaching at their same job next season, so they’ll be just as “available”. Nobody even knew who Dusty May was until last season. There will always be hot new names come up. What if Michael Lewis has a breakthrough season next year? I’m 100% okay with us making a change this offseason. But this is quite an overreaction of a take. 

“If we don’t act on John Beilein now it will be too late!”

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,623]

4 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think you've confused Fife with Loaded Chicken.

I'd say he is. Being a starter doesn't mean you're a star. We've started Colin Hartman and won. It's Leal really any worse? No. We've gotten our butts kicked by dudes like Leal on Wisconsin and Purdue in the past. As soon as we get a guy like it, "he's not athletic enough." "He can't handle the ball." "He can't play defense." "He can't rebound." "He's not actually a good shooter." Blah blah blah. Sometimes you gotta have a dude on the floor who is just willing to work, no matter the stats. Would you rather have Leal or Ethan Morton?

[AZ Hoosier 6,574]

42 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

This team could still have a 20 win season. Probably doesn’t make the tournament but you gonna fire a guy with 3 straight 20 win seasons if that happens? Don’t think so.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride...

[OliviaPope40 6,458]

Bloomington housing market?

[Kentuckysucks 2,206]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

This team could still have a 20 win season. Probably doesn’t make the tournament but you gonna fire a guy with 3 straight 20 win seasons if that happens? Don’t think so.

Well let's see what happens.  I'm sure I'm wrong and everything will turn out fine.  FF San Antonio here we come.

[Golfman25 5,051]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

This team could still have a 20 win season. Probably doesn’t make the tournament but you gonna fire a guy with 3 straight 20 win seasons if that happens? Don’t think so.

No, but . . .  The problems with this program aren't this season's wins and losses, or even making the tourney.  This issue is an epic failure to build a foundation for the future.  He really needed a good 2024 HS recruiting class coming in of 3-4 players.  He needs to have 2025 stacked up.  Right now, it's 1.  That's just not good for the program going forward.  Sure the transfer portal may get you an 8 man rotation next year, but that's doing it the hard way.  From a player perspective, we have had massive wins -- TJD and JHS going in the draft.  But also, epic failures -- the number of kids who transfer and/or fail to develop at all.  There is no solid base there either which creates holes.  So I could "encourage" him to retire based on that.     

[IUFAN1976 2,796]

5 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

He hasn't even been scouted. Don't think you're understanding how significant that is. He's a vet at this point and can bring some solid play but the idea he's a B1G starter is completely off, no offense to the kid. Agree that staff failed to go out and get guards in the offseason, the continued focus on old-style 2 bigs up front is not the way to go. 

I am not saying he’s a B10 caliber starter but he is good enough to start on this team because they don’t have B10 caliber type guards other Galloway and he isn’t a B10 starter on most teams except for the way he played in last nights game.  Also, I am saying he’s better than Cupps because he’s a better shooter, bigger, and has been around the college game longer.  As far as being scouted, I don’t think his play will decrease that much when he is scouted.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,935]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

In the NBA rooting for a tank can mean drafting a generational player. In the NFL it's a chance to get that ten year quarterback.

But with my alma mater? Bad stuff slowly snowballs and deteriorates the collective perception of the program. Yes,  I know it's a chance to start over (and over and over) but it is so much better to have the current program leaders succeed. And every win is a small deposit towards success.

That, and when I see an IU uniform on a kid that attends my school? That's my guy or gal. That's my university family. And like family, warts and all, I'm always rooting for them. 

• Mike Woodson? Me and him are fellow alums. That's my guy and he's the guy I want to succeed. In every way and in a big way. If the job isn't the right one for him? He's still my fellow alum and still my guy.
• Dusty May is a fellow alum - so he's already been my guy too. 

Different strokes for different folks. I don’t expect my opinion to be popular, but it’s how I view things. I feel little connection to the players, especially in the transfer portal where players often go to the highest bidder. I feel my connection to the university, and I root for what I feel is best for the university’s athletic programs. 

You differentiate from the pros by referencing the potential to get a generational player, but that’s exactly what a coaching vacancy is - a chance to find your generational coach. I rooted hard for IUFB to tank this year. Was it fun? No. But I felt it was necessary. Without the tank we’d have Tom Allen instead of Coach Cig. 

I don’t expect you to agree because you were a Mike Woodson supporter from day 0, but I am 100% convinced he’s not the solution. His high point was an 23-12 season and a blowout exit in the round of 32 with a team people thought awas a contender during the preseason  And I believe that if someone’s not the solution then you should move on. 

IU won’t, though, for multiple reasons, and odds are we’ll be right here again next year having the same conversation as IU falls another season deeper into college basketball obscurity. 

[Rico 2,991]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Different strokes for different folks. I don’t expect my opinion to be popular, but it’s how I view things. I feel little connection to the players, especially in the transfer portal where players often go to the highest bidder. I feel my connection to the university, and I root for what I feel is best for the university’s athletic programs. 

You differentiate from the pros by referencing the potential to get a generational player, but that’s exactly what a coaching vacancy is - a chance to find your generational coach. I rooted hard for IUFB to tank this year. Was it fun? No. But I felt it was necessary. Without the tank we’d have Tom Allen instead of Coach Cig. 

I don’t expect you to agree because you were a Mike Woodson supporter from day 0, but I am 100% convinced he’s not the solution. His high point was an 23-12 season and a blowout exit in the round of 32 with a team people thought awas a contender during the preseason  And I believe that if someone’s not the solution then you should move on. 

IU won’t, though, for multiple reasons, and odds are we’ll be right here again next year having the same conversation as IU falls another season deeper into college basketball obscurity. 

[Hornsby 1,652]

Well let's see what happens.  I'm sure I'm wrong and everything will turn out fine.  FF San Antonio here we come.

Six more wins is possible with the nit. I don't see 6 more big ten wins and we usually stink in the btt but 20 is possible with postseason. I still think last season was his high water mark though. I don't ever see him doing better even if he stays three more years

 

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[IUFAN1976 2,796]

Anybody who roots for their team to lose is not a true fan.  Fans should always cheer for their team to win despite not liking the coach, player, manager, waterboy!   

[Hoosierfan2017 20,935]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Anybody who roots for their team to lose is not a true fan.  Fans should always cheer for their team to win despite not liking the coach, player, manager, waterboy!   

Might as well hand in my IU degree. IUFAN1976 doesn’t think I’m a true fan. 

Do you disagree that it was better for IUFB to go 3-9 this season instead of, say, 5-7? Because 5-7 likely gets you another season of Tom Allen. I absolutely was rooting for them to lose the last three games. The bottom had to fall out to get Scott Dolson to raise the $20 million buyout. 

It’s not just about short-term gratification as a fan. Sometimes you win the battle but lose the war. 

Anyway, on the way to give back my degree right now. Catch ya later! 

[IUc2016 7,121]

32 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Might as well hand in my IU degree. IUFAN1976 doesn’t think I’m a true fan. 

Do you disagree that it was better for IUFB to go 3-9 this season instead of, say, 5-7? Because 5-7 likely gets you another season of Tom Allen. I absolutely was rooting for them to lose the last three games. The bottom had to fall out to get Scott Dolson to raise the $20 million buyout. 

It’s not just about short-term gratification as a fan. Sometimes you win the battle but lose the war. 

Anyway, on the way to give back my degree right now. Catch ya later! 

I get what you are saying, and I don't have a problem with it. I am an eternal optimist so I just can't do it.

In my mind if my team is 0-20 and finally wins a game I want to believe they have turned things around and will win the next 20 lol

[JF87 1,413]

15 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

This team could still have a 20 win season. Probably doesn’t make the tournament but you gonna fire a guy with 3 straight 20 win seasons if that happens? Don’t think so.

You are most likely correct, but I also feel like we have underachieved the past 2.5 years based on our talent. Coach Woodson hasn't built a foundation which is a disconcerting issue. IU needs to build a program, not just bring in multiple mercenaries each year trying to patchwork a roster.  If the money is available, a solid Athletic Director might move off a coach that has won 20 games but underachieved if a better option was available to start building a program.  

[IUFAN1976 2,796]

55 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Might as well hand in my IU degree. IUFAN1976 doesn’t think I’m a true fan. 

Do you disagree that it was better for IUFB to go 3-9 this season instead of, say, 5-7? Because 5-7 likely gets you another season of Tom Allen. I absolutely was rooting for them to lose the last three games. The bottom had to fall out to get Scott Dolson to raise the $20 million buyout. 

It’s not just about short-term gratification as a fan. Sometimes you win the battle but lose the war. 

Anyway, on the way to give back my degree right now. Catch ya later! 

Don’t waste your time giving it back, just burn it.  How about that, I’m like the Geico Gecko, I just saved you time and money!

No matter the situation, I will never root for my team to lose, ever!