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[Chris007 43,453]

3 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

You really want these guys to save their jobs?

I don't worry about things like that. I support Indiana University. Always have. Whoever the coach is I will be right there rooting them on, unless their initials are CB. Which is funny because those are my initials. I believe they will be here next year so might as well support them. 

[Uspshoosier 44,831]

4 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

You really want these guys to save their jobs?

He probably wants the team he is invested in actually winning and doing good.    People that actually want IU to lose is an interesting choice 

[RoadRage 1,586]

41 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't worry about things like that. I support Indiana University. Always have. Whoever the coach is I will be right there rooting them on, unless their initials are CB. Which is funny because those are my initials. I believe they will be here next year so might as well support them. 

It’s admirable to be a fan of whatever team the University puts on the floor, I’ve been doing that in football for years but I am more excited about this new staff for next season than I have been for a long time, so making the right change can be a positive for everyone!

[RoadRage 1,586]

13 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

He probably wants the team he is invested in actually winning and doing good.    People that actually want IU to lose is an interesting choice 

The thought of Woody winning just enough to get extended next season is what concerns me!

[HoosierHoopster 6,680]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

There you go!  Right now he’s better than Cupps on both sides of the ball and the fact that we have to play him 20-25 minutes per game verifies that Woodson didn’t due their due diligence by signing a point guard and shooting guard.  On this current team, Leal should start over Cupps, IMO

He hasn't even been scouted. Don't think you're understanding how significant that is. He's a vet at this point and can bring some solid play but the idea he's a B1G starter is completely off, no offense to the kid. Agree that staff failed to go out and get guards in the offseason, the continued focus on old-style 2 bigs up front is not the way to go. 

[TheWatShot 13,582]

3 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

The thought of Woody winning just enough to get extended next season is what concerns me!

He'd have to be wildly successful to get an extension at this point. If he actually  managed to be that successful, he might decide his work is done and it's a good time to hand it off to the next guy. 

[RoadRage 1,586]

Just now, TheWatShot said:

He'd have to be wildly successful to get an extension at this point. If he actually  managed to be that successful, he might decide his work is done and it's a good time to hand it off to the next guy. 

This would be the best outcome!

[Golfman25 4,957]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I could be wrong but I think the more Leal is scouted the less of an impact he will play. But you know what you get with him. But I think he's going to be hit-and-miss. Like Penn St game he didn't have much of an impact. But last night he did. he's just now getting used to playing. Just my two cents on Tony

He's got to get out there.  Keep moving.  Seek out his shot.  Just play like his hair is on fire.  What's the downside?  He sits on the bench?   Been there, done that.   

[Hoosierfan2017 20,670]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

He probably wants the team he is invested in actually winning and doing good.    People that actually want IU to lose is an interesting choice 

Fans of pro teams root for their bad teams to lose all the time. It doesn’t make them bad fans, it’s just logical. If you’re a crappy team and aren’t making the playoffs, it’s better to bottom out and get the #1 pick than it is win just enough to get a middling pick. It’s long-term versus short-term. It’s better for IU to bottom out and then fire Woodson than it is for him to win just enough to justify a fourth season that in all likelihood won’t be any better than this one. Would it have been better for IUFB if Tom Allen went 5-7 this year instead of 3-9? 

[Uspshoosier 44,831]

12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fans of pro teams root for their bad teams to lose all the time. It doesn’t make them bad fans, it’s just logical. If you’re a crappy team and aren’t making the playoffs, it’s better to bottom out and get the #1 pick than it is win just enough to get a middling pick. It’s long-term versus short-term. It’s better for IU to bottom out and then fire Woodson than it is for him to win just enough to justify a fourth season that in all likelihood won’t be any better than this one. 

Sounds like an awful way to go through being a fan of a team.   So most people who do this basically hasn’t really had a chance to be a fan and enjoy their team for a very long time when it comes to IU because of the lack of success in the last decade or more.    I see people saying last year was disappointing.   Compared to what? lol.      Last year would have been the first time your team finished with a winning conference record in 6 years.   First time your team earned a protected seed since 2013 (2016 they only got a 5 seed).  First time they earned a double bye in a while and made the semifinals of conference tourney they historically are out in the first round.    First  round of 64 win since 2016.    Long term your team hadn’t done any of that and then they did it and people were still disappointed even though they hadn’t seen results like that in at least 6 years.    What’s the point of following if all you are doing is wishing your team tanks and fails just to start the cycle over again.    As I said interesting choice.   Not for me but seems to be the way  some fans like to fan 

[Chris007 43,453]

12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fans of pro teams root for their bad teams to lose all the time. It doesn’t make them bad fans, it’s just logical. If you’re a crappy team and aren’t making the playoffs, it’s better to bottom out and get the #1 pick than it is win just enough to get a middling pick. It’s long-term versus short-term. It’s better for IU to bottom out and then fire Woodson than it is for him to win just enough to justify a fourth season that in all likelihood won’t be any better than this one. Would it have been better for IUFB if Tom Allen went 5-7 this year instead of 3-9? 

But I believe the majority of people think he is already getting the 4th season. 

[ray 1,560]

15 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If you can't get excited about an 18 point road halftime comeback, not sure what to say.  

I get your point.  I tend to take the half-full approach to almost everything.  I am glad they climbed back from an 18-point deficit and won, especially on the road.  The alternative was to end with a loss, and potentially a blow-out loss, so I will relish the moment. 

However, I can also understand how someone could be disappointed they had to fight back from an 18-point deficit to begin with.  As a long-time Indiana fan, I remember watching Indiana teams play like they were trailing by 18 for forty minutes every night, even if they were up by 18.  I miss flipping on the television and expecting those types of performances, but I will always celebrate any tally mark in the win column.

Just as some get excited by 18-point comebacks, others are disappointed by 18-point deficits.  I understand both.

[Stuhoo 79,257]

27 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fans of pro teams root for their bad teams to lose all the time. It doesn’t make them bad fans, it’s just logical. If you’re a crappy team and aren’t making the playoffs, it’s better to bottom out and get the #1 pick than it is win just enough to get a middling pick. It’s long-term versus short-term. It’s better for IU to bottom out and then fire Woodson than it is for him to win just enough to justify a fourth season that in all likelihood won’t be any better than this one. Would it have been better for IUFB if Tom Allen went 5-7 this year instead of 3-9? 

In the NBA rooting for a tank can mean drafting a generational player. In the NFL it's a chance to get that ten year quarterback.

But with my alma mater? Bad stuff slowly snowballs and deteriorates the collective perception of the program. Yes,  I know it's a chance to start over (and over and over) but it is so much better to have the current program leaders succeed. And every win is a small deposit towards success.

That, and when I see an IU uniform on a kid that attends my school? That's my guy or gal. That's my university family. And like family, warts and all, I'm always rooting for them. 

• Mike Woodson? Me and him are fellow alums. That's my guy and he's the guy I want to succeed. In every way and in a big way. If the job isn't the right one for him? He's still my fellow alum and still my guy.
• Dusty May is a fellow alum - so he's already been my guy too. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,205]

27 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fans of pro teams root for their bad teams to lose all the time. It doesn’t make them bad fans, it’s just logical. If you’re a crappy team and aren’t making the playoffs, it’s better to bottom out and get the #1 pick than it is win just enough to get a middling pick. It’s long-term versus short-term. It’s better for IU to bottom out and then fire Woodson than it is for him to win just enough to justify a fourth season that in all likelihood won’t be any better than this one. Would it have been better for IUFB if Tom Allen went 5-7 this year instead of 3-9? 

Wins are great if they have a possibility of leading somewhere positive like a deep tourney run.  That's obviously not the case this season.  Last night to me was similar to when the Colts had Andrew Luck and that #1 pick sewed up and then miraculously won a couple miracle games at the end.  It almost cost them everything.

If Woody is back next season and UL, UM, OSU, and potentially UCLA all have openings and hire the good coaches currently available we will never recover.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,833]

There isn't a time I'm rooting for Indiana to lose. 

Hoosiers vs Jesus Christ and the 12 disciples.. 

Give me the Cream and Crimson and I'll deal with the consequences in the after life. 

[Dave from Dayton 2,884]

12 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Wins are great if they have a possibility of leading somewhere positive like a deep tourney run.  That's obviously not the case this season.  Last night to me was similar to when the Colts had Andrew Luck and that #1 pick sewed up and then miraculously won a couple miracle games at the end.  It almost cost them everything.

If Woody is back next season and UL, UM, OSU, and potentially UCLA all have openings and hire the good coaches currently available we will never recover.

I disagree with the above assessment.  The single most important thing is to have a prospective coach vetted, reviewed, and to have had people reach out to see how interested the prospect really is.  Then when you have one essentially confirmed without a doubt, and the end of the season is imminent, that is when you pull the plug on the current coach.

Dolson has more than enough information to be able to assess where Woody is going, what his thoughts are, of what this coaching staff is capable.   Wins or losses the rest of the season are details.  Simply, just more data.

One obvious outlier is will Coach Woodson actually pull a rabbit out of the hat and win out.  Or win the BIG Tournament.  And get an invite to the big dance?  Is Woody actually playing the long game?  

Dolson would know.  That is the kind of thing that they probably talk about.  If IU makes the dance, lol, then all of the above is for naught.  

 

[TheWatShot 13,582]

28 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Wins are great if they have a possibility of leading somewhere positive like a deep tourney run.  That's obviously not the case this season.  Last night to me was similar to when the Colts had Andrew Luck and that #1 pick sewed up and then miraculously won a couple miracle games at the end.  It almost cost them everything.

If Woody is back next season and UL, UM, OSU, and potentially UCLA all have openings and hire the good coaches currently available we will never recover.

Is there a transfer portal draft where more losses means we get a higher pick? I must have missed that. 

[Golfman25 4,957]

48 minutes ago, ray said:

I get your point.  I tend to take the half-full approach to almost everything.  I am glad they climbed back from an 18-point deficit and won, especially on the road.  The alternative was to end with a loss, and potentially a blow-out loss, so I will relish the moment. 

However, I can also understand how someone could be disappointed they had to fight back from an 18-point deficit to begin with.  As a long-time Indiana fan, I remember watching Indiana teams play like they were trailing by 18 for forty minutes every night, even if they were up by 18.  I miss flipping on the television and expecting those types of performances, but I will always celebrate any tally mark in the win column.

Just as some get excited by 18-point comebacks, others are disappointed by 18-point deficits.  I understand both.

I was excited for the comeback, but wasn't excited for the game.  I felt like the PSU loss at home doomed the chances at an NCAA birth.   So it was great to win.  But it was like rooting for the tallest midget.  

[Kentuckysucks 2,205]

27 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

I disagree with the above assessment.  The single most important thing is to have a prospective coach vetted, reviewed, and to have had people reach out to see how interested the prospect really is.  Then when you have one essentially confirmed without a doubt, and the end of the season is imminent, that is when you pull the plug on the current coach.

Dolson has more than enough information to be able to assess where Woody is going, what his thoughts are, of what this coaching staff is capable.   Wins or losses the rest of the season are details.  Simply, just more data.

One obvious outlier is will Coach Woodson actually pull a rabbit out of the hat and win out.  Or win the BIG Tournament.  And get an invite to the big dance?  Is Woody actually playing the long game?  

Dolson would know.  That is the kind of thing that they probably talk about.  If IU makes the dance, lol, then all of the above is for naught.  

 

Yeah and if I win the Powerball before I retire I won't to have to worry about my 401k not having enough.

[Kentuckysucks 2,205]

24 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Is there a transfer portal draft where more losses means we get a higher pick? I must have missed that. 

Chris, who everyone on this board seems to look up to, has said Woody is only getting canned if we lose out or close to it.  This is IU we are talking about.  If they can muster any justification at all they'll bring Woody back knowing full well he'll be fired after next season.