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First, you guys are hilarious. Reading the pages I missed on a long travel day is great.  I guess I missed the chance to drop the bomb that coaches were informed yesterday that Woody is being ret

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First thing's first, congrats to the IU women on the 4-seed and hosting opportunity. Tough draw, but they call it madness for a reason. Secondly, love you guys and this community, but goodness you're

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The “compromise” by Dolson to let this go down this way saved us some good cash on the buyout. Lot of litigation today. Make no mistake about it, this was not Woody’s decision to retire. 

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2 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

So wait, I forget and have seen it both ways from people…if you’re someone who wants Woodson gone, is it better for us to lose tonight and that makes it easier to get rid of him, or do we want them to win and go as far as they can so it can be looked at as going out on a high note before he takes off? Just want to make sure which one I’m rooting for tonight lol 

Root to win and the let everything else play out.  

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4 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Trust me if either school hires him they'll insist on a massive buyout should he leave for IU in the next 10 years.  If we want we have to move now.

It's a double edged sword. Schools want a big buyout to protect them from having a coach poached, but not too big that it would keep a school from moving on. Dusty's camp will try to maintain 100% of the value remaining on the contract for as long as they can to protect him financially.  AD's assume that new coaches will get 3-4 years anyway so they will probably agree to high buyout numbers in those years and a decreased buyout in yr 3/4, when they would be renegotiating a new contract anyway.

There's been a lot of talk about special clauses in contracts that allow coaches to leave for certain schools....I'm not convinced those actually exist. A lot of these contracts are public and I've never seen such a clause. Besides, why would a school agree to that? First time head coaches don't often have that kind of leverage. If there truly is a bidding war, Dusty will have more leverage than most, but why would he agree to limit his buyout and expose himself to more risk of the university moving on?

All that said, I think the buyout will be fairly standard for a first year head coach in the P5. I think his contract will be around 6 yrs, 3.5 Mill/year, with 100% buyout for years 1-3, decreasing in yr's 4,5, and 6. That would put the buyout number at at least 17.5 Million next year. Can we pay that? Will Dusty be any more "proven" next year than he is now to justify it? Who knows

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3 minutes ago, SamIam said:

It's a double edged sword. Schools want a big buyout to protect them from having a coach poached, but not too big that it would keep a school from moving on. Dusty's camp will try to maintain 100% of the value remaining on the contract for as long as they can to protect him financially.  AD's assume that new coaches will get 3-4 years anyway so they will probably agree to high buyout numbers in those years and a decreased buyout in yr 3/4, when they would be renegotiating a new contract anyway.

There's been a lot of talk about special clauses in contracts that allow coaches to leave for certain schools....I'm not convinced those actually exist. A lot of these contracts are public and I've never seen such a clause. Besides, why would a school agree to that? First time head coaches don't often have that kind of leverage. If there truly is a bidding war, Dusty will have more leverage than most, but why would he agree to limit his buyout and expose himself to more risk of the university moving on?

All that said, I think the buyout will be fairly standard for a first year head coach in the P5. I think his contract will be around 6 yrs, 3.5 Mill/year, with 100% buyout for years 1-3, decreasing in yr's 4,5, and 6. That would put the buyout number at at least 17.5 Million next year. Can we pay that? Will Dusty be any more "proven" next year than he is now to justify it? Who knows

Or move this year. Buy Woody out for 12 million but over 12 years. 1 million to FAU for Dusty and Pay him 3.5 a year like you said which means were saving a million a year from Woodson which pays for his buyout. All done.

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36 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Trust me if either school hires him they'll insist on a massive buyout should he leave for IU in the next 10 years.  If we want we have to move now.

So his first contract will be 10 years?  Does anyone get a 10 year contract right off the bat? 

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2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Apologies if this has been posted, but I thought it was relevant since we have complained about our lack of three-point shooting all year.  Bill Self after KU lost last night.  Good coaches get it.  

“The bottom line is, we need to be able to make six or seven threes,” Self said, via Winton. “When you get outscored 15 to 30 points every game from beyond the arc, that’s a lot of twos, you just don’t have enough opportunities to make those up.”

I believe he was speaking directly to Liam, to let him know they need shooters.

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