They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby]

Frankly, it shouldn't take Woodson or any coach.  It's called pride in your performance. 

I remember the old days when the Little 500 guys would abstain all semester -- that is until Saturday after the race.  And they where just doing it for fun.   :)   

Programs like kansas paying guys big money don't have these issues. Might be a reason these guys choose iu over other schools . Other schools would not put up with it. Woodson does. And arizona did not even try to keep ballo so that should be a big red flag before giving him 1.2 million.

 

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[Muskie plays the four]

20 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Agree.  He hasn't won big yet, but he is recruiting very well and appears to be a good coach that plays modern basketball.  That's the formula for success, this isn't rocket surgery.  Bonus points in that he cares and appears to be a straight shooter.  It stinks, but I think they got this hire right and he is going to do very well there.  Ugh.

He is going to be a problem for awhile. Kids are going to want to play in that system. 

[Hovadipo]

43 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

 Just let these guys party and party hard the night before games.

It worked for Troy Williams et al. in the last B1G title season. Maybe these guys need to go to Brothers instead of Upstairs?

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

It worked for Troy Williams et al. in the last B1G title season. Maybe these guys need to go to Brothers instead of Upstairs?

If Big Fella has a bum leg, and I noticed a distinct limp when Big Fella ran to help a guy up, then Woody did Big Fella a true disservice in the post-game comments by not using the non-specific, HIPAA-approved, and informative term... injured.

[OKHOOSIER]

28 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Maybe he was working on his game on the Pop-A-Shot.

When I was in college the entire team was at sports the night after we beat the Drew Neitzel MSU team. That was the most fun I’ve ever had at an IU game. My ears were ringing after. It was hilarious because only like half the team was 21 and EJ was barely 18 I think. But they were winning and this was pre instant social media pics. The Stone Age of needing a digital camera. 
 

My point being, it’s happened forever, it’s just more visible now. It’s a bad look considering this team stinks, but had we won by 30 no one would care. Even then I don’t care. We wouldn’t have been 20 points better with Ballo in the lineup. 

[8bucks]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

I see what you mean about Pope being far from a sure thing but at the same time, I think "sure things" are relatively few and far between when it comes to coaching searches. Theres only a handful of guys who have won titles in D1 ... you're not generally gonna be able to get those guys barring extraordinary circumstances. In terms of proven commodities - I'd definitely prefer to see some first place conference finishes/deep runs in March, but I think any search has to start with consistent winning and you can fill in the unique blanks to each search from there. Pope fit the bill for UK and seems to be paying off, though it's early. His ceiling may not be known yet as a coach but I think people can be reasonably confident he will win consistently at UK. On some level, that's sort of all you can ask for IMO. 

My primary point (though not well made) was that whether it is the pressure of the job, or likely a variety of things, UK did not get their top targets.  

[Home Jersey]

Just now, 8bucks said:

My primary point (though not well made) was that whether it is the pressure of the job, or likely a variety of things, UK did not get their top targets.  

Gotcha… yeah I think we’re likely to hire someone not being talked about much right now. So similar boat to UK in that sense. Hope we get it right too.

[Pagoda]

16 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

When I was in college the entire team was at sports the night after we beat the Drew Neitzel MSU team. That was the most fun I’ve ever had at an IU game. My ears were ringing after. It was hilarious because only like half the team was 21 and EJ was barely 18 I think. But they were winning and this was pre instant social media pics. The Stone Age of needing a digital camera. 
 

My point being, it’s happened forever, it’s just more visible now. It’s a bad look considering this team stinks, but had we won by 30 no one would care. Even then I don’t care. We wouldn’t have been 20 points better with Ballo in the lineup. 

That was fun, unfortunately it was more or less the peak that season before the collapse.

I've got no issue with our players being out, I remember seeing players out all the time.  Going to the Vid after a game is fine, I don't care, though the timing here isn't great. 

But being out late the night before a game is a problem.  It's a no-no in pretty much every sport at every level, and likely against team rules.  It shows a lack of discipline and seriousness, which is pervasive with this program.  We've only got 30 or so games, just stay in the night before like every other committed athlete.

[monskisprodigy]

28 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

When I was in college the entire team was at sports the night after we beat the Drew Neitzel MSU team. That was the most fun I’ve ever had at an IU game. My ears were ringing after. It was hilarious because only like half the team was 21 and EJ was barely 18 I think. But they were winning and this was pre instant social media pics. The Stone Age of needing a digital camera. 
 

My point being, it’s happened forever, it’s just more visible now. It’s a bad look considering this team stinks, but had we won by 30 no one would care. Even then I don’t care. We wouldn’t have been 20 points better with Ballo in the lineup. 

We probably crossed paths that night...upstairs bar by the dance floor. Our favorite bartender worked up there solely...was over served far too many times to count. The good ole' days. 

But...I agree, IU Players have been going out to the bars, during the season, for a long, long time...even the nights before games. I am confident that kids partying is not just an IU problem. The difference between us and other successful programs is that there is a large contingent of IU fans very unhappy with the program, Woodson and the players, and thus...pictures like this surface knowing it will reflect bad on a coach they want fired and a program they are unhappy with.

The accessibility of the internet and ability to share information at ease is a part of this, but IMO, other big time programs seemingly not dealing with / having these issues brought to light is not a product of players not partying or going out, but more to do with a fanbase at those programs unwilling to compromise the success of their team and looking the other way. People may not agree with players doing certain things, but you have to be in a pretty bad spot as a program IMO for fans to intentionally do things that will be detrimental to the players and team they follow / support. 

[OKHOOSIER]

5 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

We probably crossed paths that night...upstairs bar by the dance floor. Our favorite bartender worked up there solely...was over served far too many times to count. The good ole' days. 

But...I agree, IU Players have been going out to the bars, during the season, for a long, long time...even the nights before games. I am confident that kids partying is not just an IU problem. The difference between us and other successful programs is that there is a large contingent of IU fans very unhappy with the program, Woodson and the players, and thus...pictures like this surface knowing it will reflect bad on a coach they want fired and a program they are unhappy with.

The accessibility of the internet and ability to share information at ease is a part of this, but IMO, other big time programs seemingly not dealing with / having these issues brought to light is not a product of players not partying or going out, but more to do with a fanbase at those programs unwilling to compromise the success of their team and looking the other way. People may not agree with players doing certain things, but you have to be in a pretty bad spot as a program IMO for fans to knowingly do things that will be detrimental to the players and team they follow/support. 

Really good point here, which I didn’t really consider beyond it being a bad look. Says a couple things really— either the players don’t care the light it paints Woody despite being instructed to watch their actions. Or, they haven’t been instructed anything and they (team, Woody, et. al.) think they are somehow deserving of acting however they want. 
 

Given the team and Woodys reactions to criticism last year and acting like they just won the Larry O’Brian after stringing together a couple wins over bad teams I tend toward the latter. It reeks of entitlement and lack of introspection. Zero chance Ballo is benched if that picture doesn’t surface and trying to paint it as an injury is pathetic. Just say it’s a violation of team rules. I’d have respected that. 

[coonhounds]

We probably crossed paths that night...upstairs bar by the dance floor. Our favorite bartender worked up there solely...was over served far too many times to count. The good ole' days. 
But...I agree, IU Players have been going out to the bars, during the season, for a long, long time...even the nights before games. I am confident that kids partying is not just an IU problem. The difference between us and other successful programs is that there is a large contingent of IU fans very unhappy with the program, Woodson and the players, and thus...pictures like this surface knowing it will reflect bad on a coach they want fired and a program they are unhappy with.
The accessibility of the internet and ability to share information at ease is a part of this, but IMO, other big time programs seemingly not dealing with / having these issues brought to light is not a product of players not partying or going out, but more to do with a fanbase at those programs unwilling to compromise the success of their team and looking the other way. People may not agree with players doing certain things, but you have to be in a pretty bad spot as a program IMO for fans to intentionally do things that will be detrimental to the players and team they follow / support. 

Perhaps it's normal. I think most kids are smart enough to know that if you are out after midnight at a bar the night before a game that is pressure you don't need. If you have a bad game then that will be the blame. I doubt to many successful programs players are out doing that. If you are a star player and out like that night before a game you better be sure to play great imo or **** will be said on social media. I have no problem with kids having fun and drinking but not night before. Remember woodson has a curfew or did atleast on the road cause a few guys got suspended his first season i believe at northwestern.

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[JF87]

3 hours ago, Herotime said:

Bruce

Brad

Dusty

Oats

Billy D

I'm afraid we missed on Dusty.  The window of opportunity was there, but Woodson wasn't ready to give up the perks of being the IU basketball coach.  

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I looked him up. His bio says he’s been 8 years.  So 4 with miller and 4 with woodson?  If crean did bring him in it was at the end.  

Could be.  Did that bio state he was more on the football side of things?  Also, has he ever been affiliated with basketball as a strength and conditioning coach?  I kept thinking Crean hired him, then he was fired after that, not sure though.  I think if and when Woodson goes, I think everyone should go right out the door with him, including the strength and conditioning coach.

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

So my source today was correct.  The inmates are running the clown show, not the actual clown!

[coonhounds]

So my source today was correct.  The inmates are running the clown show, not the actual clown!

Did you post your sources info earlier?

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[Uspshoosier]

20 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Could be.  Did that bio state he was more on the football side of things?  Also, has he ever been affiliated with basketball as a strength and conditioning coach?  I kept thinking Crean hired him, then he was fired after that, not sure though.  I think if and when Woodson goes, I think everyone should go right out the door with him, including the strength and conditioning coach.

If you are talking about Marshall he worked with the Bengals before Archie hired him at Dayton.   He came over with Archie and Woody kept him after Archie was fired.   When Woody in my opinion you clean the whole house.  No fault of any of them just most have been a part of a losing culture so if you are starting fresh you start with a clean slate 

[American HoosierX]

1 hour ago, monskisprodigy said:

We probably crossed paths that night...upstairs bar by the dance floor. Our favorite bartender worked up there solely...was over served far too many times to count. The good ole' days. 

But...I agree, IU Players have been going out to the bars, during the season, for a long, long time...even the nights before games. I am confident that kids partying is not just an IU problem. The difference between us and other successful programs is that there is a large contingent of IU fans very unhappy with the program, Woodson and the players, and thus...pictures like this surface knowing it will reflect bad on a coach they want fired and a program they are unhappy with.

The accessibility of the internet and ability to share information at ease is a part of this, but IMO, other big time programs seemingly not dealing with / having these issues brought to light is not a product of players not partying or going out, but more to do with a fanbase at those programs unwilling to compromise the success of their team and looking the other way. People may not agree with players doing certain things, but you have to be in a pretty bad spot as a program IMO for fans to intentionally do things that will be detrimental to the players and team they follow / support. 

Most of this post is speculation. I’d be willing to bet that most teams have rules against going out the night before games and that most players realize it would be really hard to do it conspicuously in this day and age.

I also think it would likely vary from team to team and that teams with a lot of player-led discipline would self-police that.

I realize my post is also speculative. But I really doubt the Zeller, Oladipo, Hulls teams were going out the night before games.

[Deserthoozier]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

If UM gets a 15+ point lead that's exactly what I would expect we will hear.

It might be a soft way for the King to learn even ‘true fans’ have reassessed!

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Could be.  Did that bio state he was more on the football side of things?  Also, has he ever been affiliated with basketball as a strength and conditioning coach?  I kept thinking Crean hired him, then he was fired after that, not sure though.  I think if and when Woodson goes, I think everyone should go right out the door with him, including the strength and conditioning coach.

He was hired by Archie... his extensive background is working with NFL athletes... not sure if/how that translates for basketball players.

https://www.insidethehall.com/2017/04/20/indiana-hires-clif-marshall-as-director-of-athletic-performance/

[TTT]

I assume everyone realizes that coach Woodson and staff feel like they are doing a distinguished job with the Indiana basketball program.  Just ask them.  They continue to work to get better all the time (not everyday but occasionally), increasing NIL money, more of a brotherhood, coaching staff and players are richer, they feel they have raised the level of IU men’s basketball program to untold heights because you don’t know what you don’t know.