They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[HoosierHoopster]

Why do people honestly pine and fixate on coaches IU would absolutely not hire??

IU aint hiring Pearl or Beard even if there were actually a chance they’d take the job. No way. After Sampsongate the admin will continue to bend over backwards to avoid any appearance of impropriety and risk and now after failed coach picks that’s only more true. Doesn’t matter if people don’t like it, it’s just where the U is.

Give me one of the up and comers with history of strong basketball acumen and development. There’s some dice rolling there but the U will take that over risk of another Sampson-like fiasco

[JF87]

7 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

https://x.com/Cabbyfromgreene/status/1864105325114118368

I know we were playing the blind little sisters of the poor but yikes on the attendance.  And just so someone can't say it was before the game started:

https://x.com/JeffRabjohns/status/1864105719592595895

Woodson and Cignetti have made IU a football school.  

[tyappleg]

1 hour ago, AZ Hoosier said:

NO WE'RE NOT.
That ship has sailed... time to be realistic... we tried to board the Stevens train, the Pearl train and the Donovan train and none of them left the station.

You're telling me he wouldnt leave his cushy GM job for one of the most successfull franchises in NBA history who just won a championship to come coach at IU who hasnt won anything in 40 years?

If you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic clearly... unless...

[IndianaSconnie90]

10 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Why do people honestly pine and fixate on coaches IU would absolutely not hire??

IU aint hiring Pearl or Beard even if there were actually a chance they’d take the job. No way. After Sampsongate the admin will continue to bend over backwards to avoid any appearance of impropriety and risk and now after failed coach picks that’s only more true. Doesn’t matter if people don’t like it, it’s just where the U is.

Give me one of the up and comers with history of strong basketball acumen and development. There’s some dice rolling there but the U will take that over risk of another Sampson-like fiasco

In today's sports world I'm going to need you to define exactly what a Sampson like fiasco looks like, seeing as what he did isn't even illegal anymore. Also, something that would track for either Pearl or Beard. 

[HoosierHoopster]

12 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

In today's sports world I'm going to need you to define exactly what a Sampson like fiasco looks like, seeing as what he did isn't even illegal anymore. Also, something that would track for either Pearl or Beard. 

Do you really “need” me to recite all the Pearl history and Beard’s escape from prosecution? I’m sure you can educate yourself. Not going to argue with you, IU ain’t hiring these guys, who aren’t realistically on the table anyway. Wasted air

[IUFAN1976]

In today’s college basketball landscape, unless you are committing a crime that could land you in jail, there isn’t anything a coach is violating that would cause them to be banned from the tournament, so that leaves Sampson, Pearl or other coaches that were in the same boat as them to be on the table.  Beard, I’m not sure of though, but he can coach.  IU probably won’t consider them but for anyone saying those guys are totally off the table because we don’t want a repeat of Sampson, will never happen again because there aren’t really anymore rules violations.

[HinnyHoosier]

5 hours ago, Pagoda said:

$5M going down $1M each year.  Easy peasy.

Until they end the season a top 15 team and sweeten the deal.

[IndianaSconnie90]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Do you really “need” me to recite all the Pearl history and Beard’s escape from prosecution? I’m sure you can educate yourself. Not going to argue with you, IU ain’t hiring these guys, who aren’t realistically on the table anyway. Wasted air

Yes actually, I do. You're the one making the claim. Back that s**t up

[IndianaSconnie90]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

In today’s college basketball landscape, unless you are committing a crime that could land you in jail, there isn’t anything a coach is violating that would cause them to be banned from the tournament, so that leaves Sampson, Pearl or other coaches that were in the same boat as them to be on the table.  Beard, I’m not sure of though, but he can coach.  IU probably won’t consider them but for anyone saying those guys are totally off the table because we don’t want a repeat of Sampson, will never happen again because there aren’t really anymore rules violations.

BINGO! It'd just be easier for said individuals to say they don't personally like those coaches and don't want them than to come up with that lame example of why they don't think they'd be available. "Sampson-like fiasco", give me a break.

By the way, Sampson has routinely had dominant Houston teams and an eye popping record with that program. But hey, we're too righteous for that

Edited December 5, 2024 by IndianaSconnie90

[steubenhoosier]

7 hours ago, ap2345 said:

He's in my top 5 now.

Who’s opinion is this?

Someone who matters?

[steubenhoosier]

2 hours ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

In today's sports world I'm going to need you to define exactly what a Sampson like fiasco looks like, seeing as what he did isn't even illegal anymore. Also, something that would track for either Pearl or Beard. 

Umm.. the fiasco was bringing in a bunch of thugs and not caring what they did to trash the program 

[IndianaSconnie90]

2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Chris Beard will be successful and would kill it at IU

Yes he probably would. Unfortunately, there's a faction of the fanbase/athletic department who are unwiliing/unable to allow IU to be a redemption opportunity for virtually anybody with any legal baggage. Just have to keep banging away at those "up and comers"

[IUFAN1976]

12 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

BINGO! It'd just be easier for said individuals to say they don't personally like those coaches and don't want them than to come up with that lame example of why they don't think they'd be available. "Sampson-like fiasco", give me a break.

By the way, Sampson has routinely had dominant Houston teams and an eye popping record with that program. But hey, we're too righteous for that

I think in today’s CBB World, no program is too righteous anymore.  Suck it up and hire coach who can do the job no matter what!

[IndianaSconnie90]

1 minute ago, steubenhoosier said:

Umm.. the fiasco was bringing in a bunch of thugs and not caring what they did to trash the program 

No, I believe the fiasco he's referring to was the tampering. The "thugs" as you so eloquently put it and the "not caring" didn't seem to matter when we were winning. It only seemed to matter when he was found to be breaking recruiting rules

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Do you really “need” me to recite all the Pearl history and Beard’s escape from prosecution? I’m sure you can educate yourself. Not going to argue with you, IU ain’t hiring these guys, who aren’t realistically on the table anyway. Wasted air

It would help, especially Pearl because what he was guilty of is legal now 

[Home Jersey]

14 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Who’s opinion is this?

Someone who matters?

Does anyone here have an opinion that matters? 

Put the claws away princess. 

[Home Jersey]

14 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Yes he probably would. Unfortunately, there's a faction of the fanbase/athletic department who are unwiliing/unable to allow IU to be a redemption opportunity for virtually anybody with any legal baggage. Just have to keep banging away at those "up and comers"

There is a big difference between Pearl and Beard's baggage. Pearl's - who cares? Not me. 

Beard's is an entirely different animal. He's already gotten his second chance elsewhere.

Archie was an "up and comer" hire for sure, but I don't think we've made a ton of those hires. 

Davis was a continuity pick. Sampson was well established at Oklahoma. Crean was a relative success at Marquette, I guess you could say an up and comer. We also were not going to land any big fish in that cycle. Archie up and comer. Woody a story of nepotism. Give me an up and comer like Ben McCollum or Bucky McMillan over Beard any day. 

Just get Bigfoot outta here already, please. 

[IndianaSconnie90]

10 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

There is a big difference between Pearl and Beard's baggage. Pearl's - who cares? Not me. 

Beard's is an entirely different animal. He's already gotten his second chance elsewhere.

Archie was an "up and comer" hire for sure, but I don't think we've made a ton of those hires. 

Davis was a continuity pick. Sampson was well established at Oklahoma. Crean was a relative success at Marquette, I guess you could say an up and comer. We also were not going to land any big fish in that cycle. Archie up and comer. Woody a story of nepotism. Give me an up and comer like Ben McCollum or Bucky McMillan over Beard any day. 

Just get Bigfoot outta here already, please. 

I was actually referring to the "up and comers" of right now that seem to be circulating among the fanbase. The BMs, Buckys, etc. 

Look, I get why some people would have a problem with Beard's baggage. However, since getting another shot he seems to be doing well to this point, to my knowledge. I'm just saying, if he were able to maintain good behavior off the court it would be hard to defend not hiring him. He's one of the few coaches who moves the needle instantly, along with Pearl. 

I wouldn't be opposed to McCollum at all. With all the success we've had with Woodson however, I could be in a state of constant delirium and not entirely sure about anything at this point. 

[steubenhoosier]

29 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

No, I believe the fiasco he's referring to was the tampering. The "thugs" as you so eloquently put it and the "not caring" didn't seem to matter when we were winning. It only seemed to matter when he was found to be breaking recruiting rules

So, who exactly are you defending here?

The guys running drugs?

Or, the guys who ran the team APR down to about zero?

Or, the guy who decided to throw a potted plant at the head of one of the coaches?

And, I am sure you realize that some of these guys were one in the same.

So which category didn’t matter, as long as we were winning, as you said?

[ap2345]

12 hours ago, Pagoda said:

His buyout is $5M and goes down $1M each year.  Not great, but doable.

His buyout is pretty cheap compared to most of the guys IU should be targeting