They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Artie86]

46 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

On Monday morning, this thread was on page 1771. We will almost certainly pass page 1900 tonight. 

You guys are great and all (for the most part) but I'm starting to rethink my lifestyle choices... lol

100 of those pages are probably AH’s posts! lol 

[Pagoda]

7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Zeller commitment got him through year 3. Actual Zeller got him through 4 & 5. Pretty rough after that.

Yea.  The Movement turned out to be one player.  That and Trey Lyles decommited.  It never really came together like it appeared it might.

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

I can’t stop watching the guy in the background…

I think that guy is a girl and that’s who they’re fighting over. Sadly I think I remember this episode. Haha

[Artie86]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I think that guy is a girl and that’s who they’re fighting over. Sadly I think I remember this episode. Haha

I don’t make fun of people with disabilities,….. I, I just can’t look away! lol

[Hornsby]

Drink poured. Now we await the king.

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[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

We’ve never given a coach the chance to build, fail, learn, and then grow. We mock Purdue for many things, but look at Matt Painter.

He struggled his first couple seasons, put together 3 very solid seasons, then went through a 4 year stretch with no tournament wins and a dead last place finish in the B10 to building one of the most consistent programs in the country. But we have no interest in doing that.

The fundamental problem with that analysis, we have not had a coach who has been willing to grow.  And that is a major downfall of every coach out there.  Their egos get the best of them.  They don't adapt, grow, change.  

For example, it was clear that Crean Team's weaknesses were defense.  Did he ever learn and change?  Nope and he's gone.  It's that simple.   

[AH1971]

8 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Uh, you can change the culture in one year.  And, with the right processes in place, winning will follow.  

Source: Curt Cignetti  

There’s literally ZERO expectations for Indiana football. Zero. 
 

Not comparable. 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

I am one of the old timers who have seen 3 national championships and saw what made IU elite. It wasn't about out talenting teams but we were built on a foundation of toughness, hard work and playing the game the right way. We have went away from that foundation and culture that made IU who we were and it hasn't worked. It is time to get back to that foundation and culture of players who play hard and play with toughness. I am.tired of the portal and NIL and building our roster that way instead of building a roster through evaluation and developing. I guess maybe I am spoiled as an IU fan but any mention of coaches like Beard or Wade just infuriates me because they don't meet that foundation or culture that made IU great.

For you young guys if you want to see what IU culture was all about just watch Purdue tonight because that was how IU used to be built. I would assume for most of us older fans that is what upsets us as much as anything is seeing your biggest rival be what you use to be.

Actually, 87 is the model for today.  A great foundation with Alford, et. al.  Then add two difference makers -- Smart and Garret.   

[go iu bb]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

The fundamental problem with that analysis, we have not had a coach who has been willing to grow.  And that is a major downfall of every coach out there.  Their egos get the best of them.  They don't adapt, grow, change.  

For example, it was clear that Crean Team's weaknesses were defense.  Did he ever learn and change?  Nope and he's gone.  It's that simple.   

Exactly. Woodson, like Miller before him, shows his weakness is basketball. One is gone and one will be soon.

[Golfman25]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

There’s literally ZERO expectations for Indiana football. Zero. 
 

Not comparable. 

Expectations have nothing to do with what I said.  Cig's model is 1000% comparable.  Put the right processes in place, create the right culture, and winning takes care of itself.  That's what most people miss -- Winning is a byproduct of the process.  

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Expectations have nothing to do with what I said.  Cig's model is 1000% comparable.  Put the right processes in place, create the right culture, and winning takes care of itself.  That's what most people miss -- Winning is a byproduct of the process.  

I guarantee you if IU hires Ben McCollum and says you better win 20 games and make the tournament in year 1 or you’re going to be on the hot seat going into year 2, he’s not bringing over half his Drake team. 
 

Expectations have everything to do within the timeline you’re able to do things you’re way.

[Pagoda]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Expectations have nothing to do with what I said.  Cig's model is 1000% comparable.  Put the right processes in place, create the right culture, and winning takes care of itself.  That's what most people miss -- Winning is a byproduct of the process.  

And doing this with a 85+ player football roster is 100x harder than with a basketball team.  Cig also had fairly modest NIL last year.

I’m not saying the next bball coach has one year to do it, just that it doesn’t take that long.

[Artie86]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

There’s literally ZERO expectations for Indiana football. Zero. 
 

Not comparable. 

Gee-maneez!!! Do you ever take a break! I swear you’d argue with a brick wall if it would answer you! 
 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

There’s literally ZERO expectations for Indiana football. Zero. 
 

Not comparable. 

Once again, I beg you to stop. Nobody is buying your bull$hit about the toxic fan culture. You are now going to try to convince us that it is easier to turn around decades of garbage football than it is to turn around decades of garbage basketball. Your arguments make no sense, so please stop.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Artie86 said:

Gee-maneez!!! Do you ever take a break! I swear you’d argue with a brick wall if it would answer you! 
 

A brick wall would elicit more thoughtful replies than half the nonsense that’s spewed here.

[Pagoda]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I guarantee you if IU hires Ben McCollum and says you better win 20 games and make the tournament in year 1 or you’re going to be on the hot seat going into year 2, he’s not bringing over half his Drake team. 

IU and the fans won’t say that.

This is a wild strawman.

[BleedCubbieBlue]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I guarantee you if IU hires Ben McCollum and says you better win 20 games and make the tournament in year 1 or you’re going to be on the hot seat going into year 2, he’s not bringing over half his Drake team. 
 

Expectations have everything to do within the timeline you’re able to do things you’re way.

I remember all the fans at AH with torches & pitchforks after Crean’s first year. Please, stop.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

IU and the fans won’t say that.

These are wild strawmans.

Ha

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

IU and the fans won’t say that.

These are wild strawmans.

Yes I'm thoroughly finished with his trolling, officially, after today... lol

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

A brick wall would elicit more thoughtful replies than half the nonsense that’s spewed here.

But yet you can’t stay away from this place. Can’t blame you though BT Banners is an awesome place for Hoosiers to gather and hang out