They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo]

10 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

Man I got a meeting at 5am but this is getting spicy. 

Not that spicy. People post on different boards with different posting names.

On the Coffee Snobs message board, my posting name is "@HoosierHoopster."

[Pagoda]

3 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Crean won 2 big 10 titles! We had our doubts he could win a championship. Huge difference. To compare football to basketball coaching decisions tells me you aren't a part of iu board or anything imo. We may joke about and are a better football school this year but let's face it iu is and probably always will be basketball even if we're great at football!

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Crean bashing is such a giveaway.

[KathywithaC]

2 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Crean won 2 big 10 titles! We had our doubts he could win a championship. Huge difference. To compare football to basketball coaching decisions tells me you aren't a part of iu board or anything imo. We may joke about and are a better football school this year but let's face it iu is and probably always will be basketball even if we're great at football!

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I understand there is / was a huge difference between football and basketball, which is why we allowed a football coach who was over his head to remain in his job for three awful years. By comparison, Woodson has been “only” mediocre, yet he still is on thin ice. Yes, the standards have always been different at IU, as has the length of the leash.

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

HE?


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I think so after seeing the posts on the rivals board. But I don’t really care … he, she, they … it’s all good!

[Pagoda]

3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think he has a great and growing level of influence to get things done, so yes, I think he could fight and win that battle.

If it’s a battle, who is Scott fighting?  

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

If it’s a battle, who is Scott fighting?  

Coach Ya.

Scott also called him a little beeyotch.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I think so after seeing the posts on the rivals board. But I don’t really care … he, she, they … it’s all good!

Lol


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[hoosierbannerd]

So Kathy..- with the exception of some success by CTC, why has IU basketball not sniffed a Natty since Davis? 

[MikeRoberts]

45 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

So, fire him now? Who replaces him tomorrow? Who supports that (assistant coaches)? What prevents more than a few players from departing at the semester?

Who cares who stays and who goes? They can all leave now if they want. What IU football, Louisville basketball and the list goes on proves is that you can turn around a program over night with the right coaches and players that fit. 

[KathywithaC]

2 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

If it’s a battle, who is Scott fighting?  

It wasn’t my hypothetical, but I assume the poster was referring to a scenario in which there wasn’t total agreement to move Woodson out.

[HoosierTrav]

9 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

Scott likely has a list of coaches that he’d be interested in for every sport we play, including basketball, so he’s very diligent in that respect.

I was just pushing back on the notion that he’s ready to move Mike out or that he’s contemplating moving him out or that he’s planning three months out for that eventuality. He isn’t. Having contingencies is a part of any endeavor, but there’s a process for how these things get done within IU, and Scott knows that process quite well.

There’s no groundswell against Mike right now from the stakeholders who are a part of this, just like there wasn’t last Spring when people wanted Woodson gone. They’re going to let the season play out, they’ll evaluate along the way, and then they’ll decide. But the notion that Scott has wanted to pull the trigger on Mike simply isn’t true.

I appreciate you for engaging with the fanbase and offering insight into the administrative process at IU. I hope my response is received in the same spirit of respect and shared passion for Indiana basketball.

 

That said, I feel compelled to address the disconnect between the decision-making among IU’s stakeholders and the results we continue to see on the court. It’s not just frustration—it’s exhaustion. The objective reality is that IU basketball has been mired in mediocrity, not because the fanbase lacks patience or understanding, but because the leadership’s approach to hiring head coaches has consistently failed. This isn’t a matter of opinion; it’s supported by decades of data, results, and a national reputation that has declined steadily since our glory days.

 

Let’s address the most glaring example: Mike Woodson. After the Archie Miller debacle, the opportunity to course-correct was monumental. Instead, IU chose a coach in his 60s with zero collegiate head coaching experience. Whether this was a panic hire or a product of systemic nepotism, the result was the same—a decision that left fans questioning the judgment of those at the top. Despite being handed a roster bolstered by NIL resources and top-tier talent, the results under Coach Woodson have been underwhelming at best and disastrous at worst. If success is the metric, how can we rationally defend this hire?

 

What exacerbates the frustration is the perception of elitism among the administration. The fanbase—who live and breathe this program—feels gaslighted, as if their concerns are dismissed as emotional or uninformed. Historically, however, those concerns have been vindicated. Every time the fanbase has voiced skepticism about a coach’s viability, it has been proven correct. The cycle is maddening: fans express concern, administration defends the status quo, the coach underperforms, and we’re back to square one.

 

Coach Woodson’s tenure embodies this issue. A top-10 roster (on paper) performing well below expectations should sound alarms, not excuses. The fear that Woodson was hired because of his status as an alumnus—a seemingly un-fireable position due to optics—is not unfounded. That fear is now reinforced when stakeholders engage with fans but fail to address the root causes of the program’s stagnation: poor hires based on flawed processes.

 

IU basketball isn’t just another program—it’s a cornerstone of college basketball history. To see it handled with anything less than the utmost competence and ambition is disheartening. For the sake of the program’s future, I urge those in decision-making roles to take an honest, ego-free look at what hasn’t worked and why. The same methods will not produce different results.

 

If Scott Dolson’s process is as diligent as you claim, the time to prove it is now. Contingencies, evaluations, and processes only matter if they lead to decisions rooted in logic and aimed at winning. IU basketball deserves better. The fanbase deserves better. And it’s time for those in power to acknowledge that their current approach is not working. Let’s end the cycle and restore Indiana basketball to the powerhouse it should be.

[johnsoniu]

11 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

Man I got a meeting at 5am but this is getting spicy. 

Speaking of people who need fired, who the hell scheduled a meeting for 5 am?!?!

[KathywithaC]

1 minute ago, hoosierbannerd said:

So Kathy..- with the exception of some success by CTC, why has IU basketball not sniffed a Natty since Davis? 

We haven’t had the right guy leading the program. 

[Banksyrules]

1 minute ago, johnsoniu said:

Speaking of people who need fired, who the hell scheduled a meeting for 5 am?!?!

It’s a meeting in Europe 

[HinnyHoosier]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Not that spicy. People post on different boards with different posting names.

On the Coffee Snobs message board, my posting name is “Hoosier Hoopster.”

Coffee Snobs? I knew it. Had you pegged from jump. Suuuuuuch a coffee snob.

[KathywithaC]

4 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

I appreciate you for engaging with the fanbase and offering insight into the administrative process at IU. I hope my response is received in the same spirit of respect and shared passion for Indiana basketball.

 

That said, I feel compelled to address the disconnect between the decision-making among IU’s stakeholders and the results we continue to see on the court. It’s not just frustration—it’s exhaustion. The objective reality is that IU basketball has been mired in mediocrity, not because the fanbase lacks patience or understanding, but because the leadership’s approach to hiring head coaches has consistently failed. This isn’t a matter of opinion; it’s supported by decades of data, results, and a national reputation that has declined steadily since our glory days.

 

Let’s address the most glaring example: Mike Woodson. After the Archie Miller debacle, the opportunity to course-correct was monumental. Instead, IU chose a coach in his 60s with zero collegiate head coaching experience. Whether this was a panic hire or a product of systemic nepotism, the result was the same—a decision that left fans questioning the judgment of those at the top. Despite being handed a roster bolstered by NIL resources and top-tier talent, the results under Coach Woodson have been underwhelming at best and disastrous at worst. If success is the metric, how can we rationally defend this hire?

 

What exacerbates the frustration is the perception of elitism among the administration. The fanbase—who live and breathe this program—feels gaslighted, as if their concerns are dismissed as emotional or uninformed. Historically, however, those concerns have been vindicated. Every time the fanbase has voiced skepticism about a coach’s viability, it has been proven correct. The cycle is maddening: fans express concern, administration defends the status quo, the coach underperforms, and we’re back to square one.

 

Coach Woodson’s tenure embodies this issue. A top-10 roster (on paper) performing well below expectations should sound alarms, not excuses. The fear that Woodson was hired because of his status as an alumnus—a seemingly un-fireable position due to optics—is not unfounded. That fear is now reinforced when stakeholders engage with fans but fail to address the root causes of the program’s stagnation: poor hires based on flawed processes.

 

IU basketball isn’t just another program—it’s a cornerstone of college basketball history. To see it handled with anything less than the utmost competence and ambition is disheartening. For the sake of the program’s future, I urge those in decision-making roles to take an honest, ego-free look at what hasn’t worked and why. The same methods will not produce different results.

 

If Scott Dolson’s process is as diligent as you claim, the time to prove it is now. Contingencies, evaluations, and processes only matter if they lead to decisions rooted in logic and aimed at winning. IU basketball deserves better. The fanbase deserves better. And it’s time for those in power to acknowledge that their current approach is not working. Let’s end the cycle and restore Indiana basketball to the powerhouse it should be.

Agree with everything here except the top 10 roster part - I don’t think we have that. Davis, Sampson, Dakich, Crean, Miller, Woodson - not one inspired choice, and the results prove it.

[coonhounds]

We haven’t had the right guy leading the program. 

Captain obvious is that you?

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[Stuhoo]

Just now, HinnyHoosier said:

Coffee Snobs? I knew it. Had you pegged from jump. Suuuuuuch a coffee snob.

Not me! My alias @HoosierHoopster

[KathywithaC]

2 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Captain obvious is that you?

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Usually, the simplest answer is also the correct one.

[Banksyrules]

Ok I better go to bed then.  @KathywithaC thank you so much for petty interactions.  Thanks to you (shout out to all the legends Thyme, AH, Steuben, you’re also heroes) we will reach record posting levels on this topic.  Remember folks, don’t forget to beg your kids to ask the tooth fairy to get rid of Woodson before it’s too late. Go Hoosiers.