Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfan2017 22,543]

If Woodson gets a fourth year it’ll be for the same reason he got the job in the first place: because he played for IU 40+ years ago. He didn’t deserve the job then, and he doesn’t deserve to keep it now. 

[Tom White 1,435]

1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

There has always been those on here who are dead set iu will give him another year. Chris said as of now that is the plan for a 4th year.
 

I think it was maybe last week Chris said he understood Dolson had a plan, and his understanding was it was a good plan. It appears something may have changed? Or the plan was to run it back with some changes around the edges? Perhaps timing is the problem? I don't know. Guess we will just have to stay tuned and find out.

[Artie86 2,464]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If Woodson gets a fourth year it’ll be for the same reason he got the job in the first place: because he played for IU 40+ years ago. He didn’t deserve the job then, and he doesn’t deserve to keep it now. 

….respectfully disagree, slightly…..

I wasn’t a fan of the hire, but warmed up to it and was moderately pleased the 1st 2 years. It also made it cool that he was a former IU great. That was the slight disagreement.

Now, just because he was a former IU great,  born and raised in Indiana, doesn’t give him a pass for an extra year. 
 

[JSHoosier 21,016]

There's no real way to justify bringing him back. Only one player is committed so we would have to have a monster of a portal season to even have a prayer for next season.

[OKHOOSIER 3,979]

The not recruiting thing last night was really bothering me, so I went ahead and spent way too long at work reading through NCAA by-laws out of curiosity--it was terrible and you guys are welcome lol. If this has already been stated by someone smarter than me, apologies in advance...that said...

If I am understanding it correctly, each student can be "evaluated/recruited" 7 times during the recruiting period (1 September-30 April and limited to the recruit's high school campus or regularly scheduled competition). During that period, the staff has 100 such evaluations they can conduct which equals roughly 14 recruits visited at their school or observed playing during the season if the full 7 are burned. 

So, that said, we are to believe that Woody and Co. either have burned through all 7 evaluations/in-person recruitments for say Sisley or Mullins, or, that they have used so close to 100 that they want to save some before 30 April for transfers instead of 25s in Indiana. The excuse from Rabby is pure BS. 

Now I am more mad

[AZ Hoosier 8,577]

14 hours ago, Artie86 said:

….respectfully disagree, slightly…..

I wasn’t a fan of the hire, but warmed up to it and was moderately pleased the 1st 2 years. It also made it cool that he was a former IU great. That was the slight disagreement.

Now, just because he was a former IU great,  born and raised in Indiana, doesn’t give him a pass for an extra year. 

I have to agree that this was a questionable (at best) hire. Woodson had coached in the NBA which is a whole 'nother beast from coaching in the NCAA... the skill set is different and the time commitment is different. In the NBA, he's not teaching skills, he's not recruiting players... and he gets the off season off.

The gig as a college coach is by and large 24/7/365. You have to teach/reinforce fundamentals, you have to beat the bushes and make connections with the kids, their families and their coaches to effectively recruit them, and you have to be their mamma and daddy when they're away from home. Woodson doesn't have the energy for that, apparently... and it's reflected in the product that he puts on the floor... his solution to the recruiting was to hit the portal hard, rather than building relationships with HS and AAU coaches and the kids and their families... and the portal payoff was somewhat lacking in that he missed on every guard and shooter that he went after... and not having built the recruiting relationships, he's in a hard spot for 2024 and most likely will leave the cupboard bare for whoever follows him.

Of course, Dolson gave him help for some of his deficiencies in the form of Fife and Marta... but Woodson did not like/want it... so here we are, dealing with all of his deficiencies as a college coach, and as it stands now, there's a good chance that he's coming back for another year.... so the downward spiral will continue...

[IUHoosier5 1,903]

The thing that is most damning about this whole spectacle is how the Athletic Department prioritizes optics over doing the right thing. If they want to do the right thing and be optically correct, it’s a fairly simple thing to accomplish. In fact, I would go a step further and say it is not difficult *at all*. With the amount of national media members from the school, one would think that they could tap into that alumni base and concoct something that makes Woodson’s exit “the right thing” for him and his family - whether he likes it or not - and addresses the vision’s target and plan. You do right by your university and this basketball program. You don’t let the history mean nothing and accept the current results and trajectory. You self-correct and move forward instead of fiddling around like spoiled brats. I’ve said my piece. A lot are to blame, so who has the cajones to admit their failure and lay out a plan of action and do something about it?

[kottke 812]

22 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

There's no real way to justify bringing him back. Only one player is committed so we would have to have a monster of a portal season to even have a prayer for next season.

And we’ve seen that even with a great portal haul it doesn’t always pay dividends.

[JSHoosier 21,016]

26 minutes ago, kottke said:

And we’ve seen that even with a great portal haul it doesn’t always pay dividends.

Oh even if they pull off a grand slam portal I have no faith this staff would get the most out of the team. This team had enough talent to not get punked by a shorthanded PSU and Northwestern.

[cleeter 2,402]

Say they did pull an amazing portal haul and somehow coached the team to where they were a final four contender. You would have zero 2025 recruits and then hope to have to do it all over again the year after. Playing the portal is good to add a missing piece or depth. Not good for full roster construction as we can probably all agree with. But Woody apparently knows better than us.


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[OKHOOSIER 3,979]

https://www.on3.com/college/ohio-state-buckeyes/news/college-coaches-weigh-in-on-the-ohio-state-job/

Really interesting article on the OSU job, hard not to draw some parallels from what coaches said about their opening and a potential opening at IU. 

[HoosierHoopster 7,315]

6 hours ago, str8baller said:

I think it won’t happen for a number of reasons, chief among them I see very little possibility that anyone other than Mike Woodson is coaching IU next year.  
 

With that said, guys like Pearl and Calipari just aren’t going to be looked at the same way in this new era of basketball. Same with Sampson. I’d hope we don’t put too much stock in what the NCAA says anymore seeing as how they are poised to become some secondary governing body next to whatever the B1G/SEC come up with. They may even cease to exist entirely with regards to major Div 1 sports. 

The end of the NCAA as we know it would put a smile on my face.

[JSHoosier 21,016]

1 minute ago, cleeter said:

Say they did pull an amazing portal haul and somehow coached the team to where they were a final four contender. You would have zero 2025 recruits and then hope to have to do it all over again the year after. Playing the portal is good to add a missing piece or depth. Not good for full roster construction as we can probably all agree with. But Woody apparently knows better than us.


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Yeah, he's playing a 3D chess version of basketball. One where not boxing out or guarding the perimeter is good strategy.

We're too simple minded to understand.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,356]

Yeah he is going to go get 8 portal guys and totally revamp his system at age 66.

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I believe that was sarcasm you quoted. At least, I took it that way.

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[cleeter 2,402]

Yeah, he's playing a 3D chess version of basketball. One where not boxing out or guarding the perimeter is good strategy.
We're too simple minded to understand.

Nail. Slot. Rim.
And 2 pointers are easier to make than 3 pointers.
Simple. Game.


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[Artie86 2,464]

Chris007 has been quiet for a few hours…… 

[AKHoosier 7,187]

2 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

Chris007 has been quiet for a few hours…… 

Probably one of those weirdos who enjoys time with his wife and kids every evening. 

[JSHoosier 21,016]

10 minutes ago, cleeter said:

Nail. Slot. Rim.
And 2 pointers are easier to make than 3 pointers.
Simple. Game.


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He ran that nail slot rim defense with the Hawks too. Back then teams ran two bigs and the 3 wasn't as much of a focus. Huh, it's almost like he has what wants to do and either can't or won't adapt.

[Artie86 2,464]

1 minute ago, AKHoosier said:

Probably one of those weirdos who enjoys time with his wife and kids every evening. 

I thought we were his family too…lol

[AnotherSznOnTheBrink 287]

3 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Probably one of those weirdos who enjoys time with his wife and kids every evening. 

I just got my kids to bed.. Best part of the day is shutting the door goodnight. ❤️