Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[realTomCrean 1,610]

3 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

I think you and others are going to continue to be disappointed if you believe we’re moving on Woodson before the season concludes. Not sure what conversations you’ve heard about since we lost to Illinois, but these aren’t people and this isn’t a culture prone to knee jerk decisions and actions. I know there are some restless people who are talking about “where do we go from here” (this is a direct quote), but it’s not a January action item. 

Knee Jerk reaction? 0-9 in last 9 ranked games. Of all games lost under Woodson, 40% by 15+. Knee Jerk reaction - you're a clown Kathy. How about STANDARD and firing because it is UNACEPPTABLE at Indiana University to get beat by 25 2 games in a row. You carry Woodson's water so hard. "Action Item" haha ok great jargon - sounds foolish. What more must happen for the man to lose his job? We have players that are getting paid $500k+ with no ROI, pushing/shoving, 0 effort. Knee jerk reaction for me currently is that you are in Woodson's circle and quite frankly (sorry to be rude) have the basketball IQ of Kenny Payne and the administrative/organizational IQ of Johnny Manziel.

This quoted post is the last post of yours I've read so far, but I'm going to guess your rebuttal, if not already posted, is "what good will it do for IU to fire him right now" My answer is resoundingly in accord with nearly all IU fans in that the Standards at IU demand(!) he loses his job for incompetence, lack of effort, lack of IQ, eg. Who the hell would support IU Athletics if this is tolerated? 

The results, effort, and arrogance of this basketball organization is embarrassing. I know you're embarrassed Kathy

[AH1971 1,543]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Mostly agree… I think they’d have a much better shot than what Mike Woodson has shown here.

Probably. It still wouldn't be good enough though. 

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44 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Here’s the reason. Not saying it is so compelling that there aren’t counter arguments, but there is a real reason:

There are no good options right now. Given that there are no good options, the “less bad option“ might be to create a situation in which a program legend 65 year-old head coach doesn’t get the living **** booed out of him during every home game. That is deflating for the fan base, humiliating for Coach Woodson, and extraordinarily demoralizing for the players.

It also shows that the administration is actually taking steps to correct the issue. Increases the likelihood the new coach is hired in a timely fashion at the end of the season, early enough to take advantage of the portal to possibly field a competitive team next season.

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3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I agree, it’s about hiring the right person, and that happens with good leadership. Bob Knight loved fan support but was disdainful when they acted as though they understood anything about what it actually took to run a program and consistently win at an elite level. 

You have no understanding of what it takes to run a successful basketball program or really any sort of organization.  IU doesn't either, though I am hoping Scott is the exception.

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1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

I get that - we’d just be looking to calm the overly emotional reaction of some fans who aren’t able to do that for themselves. Why would that be a good reason to do something?

Are you familiar with the launch of New Coke?  Perception can kill your product.  The emotions of the fans (short for fanatics) is THE reason that anybody gives a flying f--- about college sports anyway.  The money it brings in because of emotional connections.  National media was highlighting how much of an embarrassment that game was.  Local media guy put on a national platform the student exodus at halftime.  The sales job of "Hey, we are there and we just need a dude to lead us..." becomes much more difficult if that scene plays out at multiple home games to end the year.

Honestly, if you are an example of the type of thinking of people in charge, we're f---ed anyways.  Not an ounce of business acumen to be found, which is in itself ironic.

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2 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

That was me Cashy. I grew up an Indiana fan and have seen Isiah in person wearing candy stripe warmups. I have sweated, cried tears of joy and failure in an Indiana lockerroom. I have spent all day in the Library studying in the stacks to get an A in a Psychology class and fought back tears on the steps outside Woodburn because I failed a physics exam that I also studied for (eventually I got it!). I partied every weekday night for Little 5 week despite waking up nauseous everyday and saying, "I am not going out tonight." I have been to NCAA competitions cheering the Hoosiers for numerous sports for men and women since my time in Bloomington was up. My kids have now seen my photos on the wall, and are Hoosier fans themselves. I am an Indiana Hoosier through and through. What's your street cred?

No offense was intended to you, Patsy. You opened the door. Not sure when you attended or what sport you played, but good for you. I grew up in an IU family, had family who attended and worked for the University (undergraduate and graduate school), attended and graduated, and have gone to sporting events prior to most posters here being alive (the IUF was in the Union when I first came on the scene, I attended games in the New Fieldhouse, we parked under the stadium and ate lunch under there before football games, and I attended Little 500 in the 10th Street Stadium). Been around it my entire life.

[realTomCrean 1,610]

2 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I wish we had some players that did coke. I'm sure they vape and drink white claw, though, p******. 

pinging Troy Williams (allegedly)

[CrossboneIU22 1,218]

46 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Mike Davis’ ascension was similar. Will be interesting to see how Diebler does long term.

This is the point you're missing or simply not wanting to hear.  We don't really care how Diebler will do long term.  The example was what he did the remainder of the season that he took over.  The team played better when he took over and the situation around the program changed for the better.  Relating it to our situation, we are not necessarily wanting to remove Woodson to be better THIS season, but keeping him will only make it worse at this point.  A change is what is needed now based on where the atmosphere around this program is now, is heading and has been heading long before this season even started.  Everyone with any common sense, knows this should have happened at the end of last season but here we are.  We don't expect the results to be the same as Diebler or even similar, but we want ANYTHING different than what we have now (firing) or at least a path to a new beginning (retirement announcement) to have hope that a brighter future is coming.  A change would halt the abhorrent atmosphere that is currently taking place around the program and jump start the process of getting us to better days ahead.  

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42 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

My God, I hope Kathy isn't really someone in charge of our "processes".  

He's not. Just a internet rando troll.

[PartyintheVillas 172]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

No offense was intended to you, Patsy. You opened the door. Not sure when you attended or what sport you played, but good for you. I grew up in an IU family, had family who attended and worked for the University (undergraduate and graduate school), attended and graduated, and have gone to sporting events prior to most posters here being alive (the IUF was in the Union when I first came on the scene, I attended games in the New Fieldhouse, we parked under the stadium and ate lunch under there before football games, and I attended Little 500 in the 10th Street Stadium). Been around it my entire life.

So you've just been a fan for a long time. Congrats?

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11 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

As someone who literally spends part of his day, teaching people about decision-making, I would add to this mess of the thread by saying…

1) the best decision are not made by emotion. The people who are saying that are correct.
 

2) the best decisions are made by logic and by a process. Kathy is correct in saying those things. 
 

However, in this case, logic and a reasonable process of evaluating data and history, paint us to the fact that a separation is necessary. When a separation becomes necessary it’s best to do it immediately rather than dragging it out. The emotional argument here isn’t to get rid of him. The emotional argument is to keep- ie, letting him retire with dignity as a program legend. 
 

plenty of data backs up the idea that he needs to go so you do it once your processes and your logic (data) show you this. As another poster said previously when you determine a patient is ill you don’t wait and hope that the disease will miraculously turn around or cure itself… you take the necessary steps to start fixing the problem immediately. 
 

again, having said that I will say you can’t just fire someone without any plan. You have to have a logic based plan on how you are going to deal with the interim as well as the long-term solution. Based on past experience, I struggle to see IU excelling here. In summary, that someone who deals with this a lot and also is a coach, albeit at a much lower level- I think they should move on immediately, but need to rapidly have a solid plan in place. No real good solutions to this problem that they should have solved last off-season. I apologize for the length to anyone who’s stuck with this.

 

In other words, “can his a$$”!

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49 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

seriously, with all the help these players get, why don't they get like a 2 hour seminar showing them social media do's/don'ts and teach them to ignore all that crap when they aren't winning.

Well, unfortunately, they do lol.

[realTomCrean 1,610]

2 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

I agree, it would provide a visceral solution for some, but it wouldn’t impact the long term health of the program, which should be the objective.

Long term health of the program is better if we keep losing by 25 to end the year, rather than firing the man responsible and saying publicly "this is not tolerated at Indiana University". You have a new nickname, Kathy the Clown

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13 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I'd rather go on a cross-country trip with my ex-wife...

No offense Kathy, I'm sure you're great. 

Now you’re talking to yourself?? Lol

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2 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

This is the point you're missing or simply not wanting to hear.  We don't really care how Diebler will do long term.  The example was what he did the remainder of the season that he took over.  The team played better when he took over and the situation around the program changed for the better.  Relating it to our situation, we are not necessarily wanting to remove Woodson to be better THIS season, but keeping him will only make it worse at this point.  A change is what is needed now based on where the atmosphere around this program is now, is heading and has been heading long before this season even started.  Everyone with any common sense, knows this should have happened at the end of last season but here we are.  We don't expect the results to be the same as Diebler or even similar, but we want ANYTHING different than what we have now (firing) or at least a path to a new beginning (retirement announcement) to have hope that a brighter future is coming.  A change would halt the abhorrent atmosphere that is currently taking place around the program and jump start the process of getting us to better days ahead.  

I’m not missing the point but I definitely am not convinced we have our “Diebler” at the ready. Since you seemingly are, who should we retain as the interim coach?

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Those Cooks and the other Cooks have watched this team lose 5 games by a total of 111 points.
111 points, that is unreal. If they keep that up and there are no signs of life here that will change and they don’t let him go or announce it then they are not only watching this place burn down but also throwing fuel on the fire.
Anyone complicit in that should be fired along with Woodson

Thats only an average of 22 pts a game!!! /s


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[PartyintheVillas 172]

I think what we have all debunked today is any notion that KCathy has any insider knowledge, and only emotional attachment to the old guard that is now failing over and over again while unwilling to make any changes.

[KathywithaC 575]

2 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

So you've just been a fan for a long time. Congrats?

Yes, and thanks for sharing your relatively short term fandom. What sport did you play? 

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I am not sure if this qualifies as a reason, but it would be something I would be concerned about running a program. Last night we saw the Hall go from relatively full to less attendees during a major snowstorm in a short amount of time. Yes those empty seats, chants, and boos look terrible on TV, but those empty seats also are not buying concessions. I have heard (I work in Louisville) that concession sales was part, possibly really small part, of the reason they fired their Woody when they did. I was a little shocked at the numbers that were been said that came from game time concessions (beer). The losses were HUUUUGE. 

With as many that left last night, the empty seats I have seen at all the games I have been too, and the potential for future empty crowds, retaining the status quo could become very costly. 

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Just now, realTomCrean said:

pinging Troy Williams (allegedly)

oh nooooo